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RE: Ferguson and the Justice Department Report
March 11, 2015 at 4:58 pm
(March 6, 2015 at 11:48 am)dyresand Wrote: There is those counties i know what you mean they have those counties in the south too because i was gonna go fishing and i went through this town and well lets just say Dixie flags everywhere and keep it at that. They may have just been patritots...lol, after all...this aint the rebel colors....it's the State Flag.
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(just in case...lol, fishing communities are very blue down there, btw..they haven't always been, but the property became so valuable during the bubble that all the poor necks were driven out of swathes of the west coast, what we call the gold coast...and if you want to go fishing, the west coast of florida is where floridians fish.)
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RE: Ferguson and the Justice Department Report
March 11, 2015 at 5:00 pm
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RE: Ferguson and the Justice Department Report
March 11, 2015 at 5:05 pm
(March 11, 2015 at 5:00 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: "It is with profound sadness that I resign before the job was finished. Black people are still on the streets."
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RE: Ferguson and the Justice Department Report
March 11, 2015 at 6:31 pm
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(March 11, 2015 at 2:17 pm)JesusHChrist Wrote: The PD will probably be disbanded. They won't be able to afford to make the changes required by the report and can't afford to fight it.
I'm guessing that the Federal government will take over the department administration in order to effect what are apparently needed reforms. I was listening to a couple of lawyers on NPR today who have experience suing for consent decrees and Federal takeovers; they were saying such moves were currently under consideration, and I can only assume that the chief's resignation may well speed up that process.
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RE: Ferguson and the Justice Department Report
March 11, 2015 at 6:54 pm
Given the documented improprieties that were occurring in Ferguson, won't many of these "convictions" be challenged in court?
That, and numerous people were victims of various breaches of 42 U.S. Code § 1983. Lawsuits a-plenty I would expect.
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RE: Ferguson and the Justice Department Report
March 11, 2015 at 7:05 pm
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(March 5, 2015 at 8:13 pm)JesusHChrist Wrote: The only thing bureacracies understand is $$. I hope a cadre of lawyers swoop in on Ferguson and sues the city, police department and culpable individuals for large sums of cash. The problem with suing the city is , where will the money come from? It is like the BP spill. Sue BP and they raise prices, sue the government and they raise taxes. In the end, we always pay.
Now suing individuals and send their ass to jail still costs us, but it is cheaper and more satisfying.
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RE: Ferguson and the Justice Department Report
March 11, 2015 at 7:23 pm
(March 11, 2015 at 7:05 pm)IATIA Wrote: (March 5, 2015 at 8:13 pm)JesusHChrist Wrote: The only thing bureacracies understand is $$. I hope a cadre of lawyers swoop in on Ferguson and sues the city, police department and culpable individuals for large sums of cash. The problem with suing the city is , where will the money come from? It is like the BP spill. Sue BP and they raise prices, sue the government and they raise taxes. In the end, we always pay.
Now suing individuals and send their ass to jail still costs us, but it is cheaper and more satisfying.
I'm of the opinion that if abuse occurred under the color of authority, the state has every obligation to shoulder the burden of necessary reparations. I don't think those settlements will result in higher taxes, but even if they do, that is fair, because we citizens have a duty to ensure that the justice system acting on our behalf and in our names is a fair one. And if it isn't, we should bear the burden.
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RE: Ferguson and the Justice Department Report
March 11, 2015 at 7:41 pm
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If the taxes are not raised, then from where do the moneys come? Shuffle road and bridge funds or how about school taxes? Basically, you are saying the people should be punished for letting themselves be punished.
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RE: Ferguson and the Justice Department Report
March 11, 2015 at 8:20 pm
(March 11, 2015 at 7:41 pm)IATIA Wrote: If the taxes are not raised, then from where do the moneys come? Shuffle road and bridge funds or how about school taxes? Basically, you are saying the people should be punished for letting themselves be punished.
The just place to look would be the resigning officers severance packages.
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RE: Ferguson and the Justice Department Report
March 11, 2015 at 8:31 pm
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(March 11, 2015 at 7:41 pm)IATIA Wrote: If the taxes are not raised, then from where do the moneys come? Shuffle road and bridge funds or how about school taxes?
Most jurisdictions have general funds as well that aren't allotted.
(March 11, 2015 at 7:41 pm)IATIA Wrote: Basically, you are saying the people should be punished for letting themselves be punished.
No. I am saying that the citizenry should pay the cost for not demanding and ensuring that the justice done in their name is, well, just.
Suing the individual police officer will not get the victims anything, because cops just don't have the property and liquid holdings for a lawsuit to deliver a just award; and how many attorneys will take such a suit on contingency, knowing that their percentage won't amount to much at all?
We have a responsibility to ensure that the government acting in our name is fair and just. When the people as a whole fail that job, we should as a whole pay.
I live in Travis County. TCSO polices the country, out here. They have access to the taxes of well over one million workers. Even if we were to have five cases of brutality each settled for a million dollars, I am comfortable paying five dollars a year more in taxes if that will ensure that justice is done. And that leverage will give more weight to the complaints of the citizens about how the Sheriff's Office acts.
(March 11, 2015 at 8:20 pm)Jenny A Wrote: The just place to look would be the resigning officers severance packages.
Those would be wholly insufficient to deliver justice to Michael Brown's family, I should think ... never mind the hundreds of others who have been done wrong.
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