Religion is a poor source of morality

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Yeah, it's just that this argument totally fails because if God makes morality then it's still not objective. It's subjective to God It is still a matter of opinion, just his opinion. And if you trust someone's opinion completely, never using your own thought, that is an amoral and dangerous system. Us atheists clearly do have morality, or else we'd all be running around murdering and raping, right? I know some theists like to pretend that this is what is happening, but it's not.

Just because God is (increasingly) removed from us, it doesn't stop his opinion being arbitrary. And since no two theists can agree on what his opinion even is, it's not even consistent. Religion also muddies the waters by making moral actions things which please God (irrelevant) and immoral actions ones that make him angry ("sins", irrelevant). It then tries to pass off the results of this system as just happening to be what is best for us. But if we don't ever analyse his opinion, we have no idea if it's in our collective interest or not. Especially when we don't get his opinion from him, but from humans presuming to speak for him.

If it's all a matter of doing what the dictator says so he won't punish you, that's no moral system.

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