Religion is a poor source of morality

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For anyone who thinks morality is objective, please give me some real world concrete examples of exactly what you think this means. Until someone puts their money where their mouth is so to speak, it's all rather up in the air. I literally don't know what people mean when they say morality is objective. Just saying, "I want to be able to say something is definitely more moral than something else" doesn't mean that it's possible. I can objectively say an object has more mass than another object. But any two observers are going to have differing opinions on any particular moral choice. Thus not objective at all. One of them (or both) just announcing they are "more right" is meaningless until both parties have agreed on an actual objective way to measure morality. Both insist it should be their way, of course.

Now, myself and a random theist in a civilised country are very likely to agree on a lot of goals for morality. Where we are going to disagree is on the goal of pleasing God. I place absolutely no importance on that, regardless of whether that God actually exists. So we're never going to agree on morality where this is a factor. Who is "right"? Me, or the theist? I could argue my morality is more grounded in reality, but I still don't claim I'm objectively "right". How can the theist say they are objectively right? Why should I, or any other atheist, care the slightest bit about what apparently pleases God? Especially when the message of how to do this isn't even passed on consistently from theists.