Religion is a poor source of morality

[robvalue]

All I hear as the "evidence" of objective morality is the undesirable nature of it not being a thing; or the question begging assumption that objective moral comparisons can be made.

Evie: thanks, I'll check it out Yeah I like a lot of the stuff he has to say. I agree, the language is tricky and I'm no expert. I'm simply asking for some sort of explanation as to how advocates of objective morality actually think things are different from how I describe them to be, whatever words you use for it.

Once you've set up a framework of what morality actually is and how it is to be evaluated, then things can be in some way measured objectively. It's the underlying assumptions people have about this framework that I'm saying is subjective. "Morality is, you know, morality. Good things." It's all circular until you actually pin stuff down.

Hence the lack of forthcoming examples. Pinning down is easier said than done.