Religion is a poor source of morality

[robvalue]

Sure, I get that. What I'm saying is that even if you say morality is about wellbeing of humans (to me morality goes beyond that) people don't agree on how you measure wellbeing. There are so many different factors, and each person values each factor in their own way.

Of course, in simple examples, you can say shooting someone is objectively bad for "their wellbeing". This is why I ask for nontrivial examples. I could argue, even in this case, that you've actually stopped the suffering in the rest of their life and I consider suffering to be overall of much greater consequence to wellbeing than any enjoyment that could be gained. That is my theoretical opinion, yet I don't see how someone can "objectively" say I am wrong. Suffering and happiness are not in the same currency so cannot easily be compared like simple numbers. In my equation, the favour I have done him exceeds even the penalty for violating his autonomy. This is an example of the danger of setting any standard as the definitive one.

But when two outcomes come into conflict, declaring one to be objectively better than the other is where it falls down. Only once an exact way of measuring overall wellbeing has been established can two outcomes be compared, and who gets to come up with the formula? And even if they come up with it, why should anyone care about it if they don't agree with it? No one can dictate to me how important my pain is compared to my happiness, for example. That's up to me, and only me, to decide.