RE: Morality quiz, and objective moralities
January 30, 2016 at 5:40 am
(This post was last modified: January 30, 2016 at 5:41 am by robvalue.)
Sure, I think we're on the same page although I may not be making the best use of language.
I think morality is much more "out there" than health, in that the goals of health are more or less absolutely universal. At a very basic level, it's staying alive. However, the goals of morality are not always agreed on, even at such a fundamental level. A theist may say morality is simply "what God wants". Now they're not even talking about the same thing as me, when they refer to morality. However, moral codes are entirely arbitrary, and we can only compare them once we have agreed on very specific criteria regarding outcomes.
It gets way more complicated though. At an individual level, what someone believes to be true, and their intentions, figure into it. At least, they do according to me. Someone may be acting in what they consider to be the "right" way, according to their beliefs at the time, but which they would have considered to be the "wrong" way had their beliefs been different. For example, I believe no one is behind a door when I open it. But I was wrong, someone is there, and the door bangs them and hurts them a bit. I wouldn't call this immoral, it was accidental. Insisting that everyone's beliefs have to be true before they can even make a moral judgement is simply absurd. So the subjectivity of evaluating morality goes way beyond just looking strictly at outcomes.
Shut the fuck up daddy!
Okay little darling. That was my dog.
I think morality is much more "out there" than health, in that the goals of health are more or less absolutely universal. At a very basic level, it's staying alive. However, the goals of morality are not always agreed on, even at such a fundamental level. A theist may say morality is simply "what God wants". Now they're not even talking about the same thing as me, when they refer to morality. However, moral codes are entirely arbitrary, and we can only compare them once we have agreed on very specific criteria regarding outcomes.
It gets way more complicated though. At an individual level, what someone believes to be true, and their intentions, figure into it. At least, they do according to me. Someone may be acting in what they consider to be the "right" way, according to their beliefs at the time, but which they would have considered to be the "wrong" way had their beliefs been different. For example, I believe no one is behind a door when I open it. But I was wrong, someone is there, and the door bangs them and hurts them a bit. I wouldn't call this immoral, it was accidental. Insisting that everyone's beliefs have to be true before they can even make a moral judgement is simply absurd. So the subjectivity of evaluating morality goes way beyond just looking strictly at outcomes.
Shut the fuck up daddy!
Okay little darling. That was my dog.
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