RE: The Argument for Islam is very Simple:
March 22, 2017 at 11:27 pm
(This post was last modified: March 22, 2017 at 11:28 pm by Mystic.)
(March 22, 2017 at 12:55 pm)Aoi Magi Wrote:(March 22, 2017 at 9:44 am)MysticKnight Wrote: Overall religions advocate to submit to God, so 1-3 proves that the claim we ought to submit to God to be true. So it proves in general, then the premises get more specific as to why 12ver Shiism is the correct one.
Simply advocating something doesn't make it true, and 1-3 are the claims (well, they are more like incoherent ramblings, but for arguments sake let's acknowledge it as claim), claims don't prove themselves, no matter how much you narrow them down. The claims that you think prove islam, I can provide similar "proof/claim" from hinduism, and hinduism being much older and broader has much more vague bs than islam. You need to realize philosophical ideas aren't proof of anything, and neither is the language or method you use to assert those claims. If you truly believe in the divine, ask the divine to convince the heathens here, and if that fails, please consider the remote possibility that maybe you are wrong.
1-3 are claims but they are intuitive and manifest and can easily be elaborated on and proven.
Which claim do you find doubtful? Or at least pick the one you think is weakest of the three.
(March 22, 2017 at 11:27 pm)Jesster Wrote:(March 22, 2017 at 11:25 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: You don't believe but it has nothing to do with it not being proven. It has been proven.
You simply don't believe because you don't want to.
Simply restating that it has been proven hundreds of times does not make it so.
I know that, so maybe you should tell yourself and others, denying God and proofs for him, doesn't mean anything.