RE: Debate: God & Morality: William Lane Craig vs Erik Wielenberg
March 2, 2018 at 3:14 pm
(This post was last modified: March 2, 2018 at 3:25 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(March 2, 2018 at 11:38 am)Hammy Wrote: Who has seen the debate where William Lane Craig was destroyed by Shelly Kagan?
(March 2, 2018 at 9:45 am)Khemikal Wrote: I recall the last debate I watched with Craig about morality - it was with Shelley Kagan..he spent the entire time completely perplexed. He didn't read a thing..and Kagans stuff is in the public domain.........totally blindsided.
In any case, the point of his debating is to puff his website to the credulous.......which sells his merch.
Yes that debate was golden. I've never seen someone so utterly destroyed in a debate.
It was absurd, wasn't it? What the fuck was Craig up to the night before? Chain dropping shots at the hotel bar? Running game on the house hooker? Watching infomercials in his room? Pick up a fuckin book ya knob, amiright? It seems as if he should have had at least -some- idea of what he was about to walk into....but he didn't.
Favorite of mine, in that one..broadly, was that there was no reason for kagan to ever bring up esoterica in ethics. It never got passed the point of anything the dimmest bulb could easily understand, and he didn't have to directly argue against anything Craig had to say on the subject of morality..just say..literally "So what? So what If I don't have god meaning...?".
L-o-l. OTOH, before we get to bashing the living shit out of craig too much......anytime I've expressed the same points here, with atheists, I get craig level ridiculous responses........so..there's that. Moral realism is a rough one..not because it's difficult to establish, but because it's so commonly connected (at least in people minds) with ghosts and grumkins and snarks and shit. Way back in the day, when I first joined the boards...I said some pretty dumb shit in a convo about it, arguing against it..with Anom..iirc, though I bet he doesn't even remember it. One sentence set me straight and sent me searching for better info.
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