(March 14, 2018 at 4:25 pm)Lek Wrote: You guys must be quite happy that, as atheists, you're allowed to support immoral candidates. Somehow you think that the bible teaches that we can't support any candidate who is immoral. Please stop making judgments about what you obviously don't understand. You aren't here to have a discussion, but rather to condemn. That's the same thing of which you accuse christians.Jeffries and all the other Evangelical preachers supporting him that I know of, insist he's a changed man. There's no evidence of that. The thing is he's already elected. They could criticize him sharply but they don't. If Obama had done this, you know he would be all over that. I don't see it happening but if it was found that Bernie cheated on his wife, I don't think it would change my vote but I would at least admit "He's an asshole for treating his wife like that."
You have some Evangelical leaders making Trump out to be a man of God. The mental Jujitsu required for that is extraordinary. Even if I cared enough to do research, and I did find that the bible says "No you cannot support a leader with terrible personal morals" there would always be wiggle room for interpretation.
Of course you have David himself a homicidal adulterer, as apparently one of the old testaments greatest kings. Just as seriously in my book he was also a torturer.
So maybe you have a point
But they at least shouldn't make themselves out to be imbeciles by saying he's some sort of Christian man chosen by god. If they don't, don't they then have to admit that Obama, who almost certainly didn't commit adultery, was also chosen by god? (By the way I think Obama was an average president, but still the best of my lifetime, this has been a bad 37 years for presidents)
(March 14, 2018 at 5:07 pm)Drich Wrote:It's a fundamental doctrine of Christianity that you have to ask god for forgiveness. I have never heard of a denomination that this isn't so.(March 14, 2018 at 3:40 pm)The Industrial Atheist Wrote:
I thought everyone knew about this.
1:40 on the video sport
Trump has his little wine and eats his little cracker and seeks atonement through this ceremony. afterward he feels cleansed.
Atonement is not a laided out ceremony. we can do it any way we please.
To be honest, I would rather he do something about it when he screws up rather than drink his little wine and eat his little cracker.
But really it's obvious he doesn't believe in any of it. I don't think he's turned the other cheek since before I was born.