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Morality
RE: Morality
I'm unfamiliar with the history of the Pacific Islands, from what you've put forward it sounds like they had a good thing going and it got trashed (no surprise). However, the notion that early religions that focused more on goddesses were peaceful or somehow softer is not the picture that the archaeological record of N. Europe (for example) presents. Military fortifications and weapons were prevalent before the rise of god (as opposed to goddess) centered cultures, preference was given to males in burial (and their graves were lavish compared to the pits we find the females in), in fact, many of the myths that survive from these religions describe women who are sought out precisdely for their expertise in battle, and the goddesses associated are often best described as purely malevolent. The picture painted by archaeology (at least in N. Europe) is one of the cast of deities changing, while the rest of their lives seems to have been business as usual, going all the way back to the neolithic.

There is simply nothing that we've dug up that would lead us to believe in this peaceful goddess culture theory. I mention Marija Gimbutas because she is easily the most prolific author on this subject (and was one of it's earliest proponents). Her theories have received massive amounts of criticism, not on her observations, but upon the conclusions she drew from them. There was a large goddess culture in N. Europe, but it was no less warlike or dominated by males than any of the more paternalistic religions that followed. Firstly, I wouldn't call women "the weak" but to use that sentiment; the archaeological record shows us that throughout history the weak have never been given more than lip service. If these cultures were dominated by women, they were dominated by powerful women who commanded bands of warriors to mercilessly slaughter their foes and enact gruesome ritual murders to appease their goddesses. Great book I've linked here that discusses how researchers political leanings and ideologies crept into our understanding of the past.

http://www.amazon.com/Knossos-Prophets-M...0226289532
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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Morality - by TeslaTrooper - August 31, 2011 at 7:26 am
RE: Morality - by thesummerqueen - August 31, 2011 at 8:23 am
RE: Morality - by TeslaTrooper - August 31, 2011 at 8:47 am
RE: Morality - by Citereh - August 31, 2011 at 8:33 am
RE: Morality - by thesummerqueen - August 31, 2011 at 8:57 am
RE: Morality - by TeslaTrooper - August 31, 2011 at 9:19 am
RE: Morality - by Faith No More - August 31, 2011 at 1:33 pm
RE: Morality - by Citereh - August 31, 2011 at 9:00 am
RE: Morality - by Ace Otana - August 31, 2011 at 9:25 am
RE: Morality - by thesummerqueen - August 31, 2011 at 9:37 am
RE: Morality - by Thor - August 31, 2011 at 10:10 am
RE: Morality - by thesummerqueen - August 31, 2011 at 10:12 am
RE: Morality - by Citereh - August 31, 2011 at 10:31 am
RE: Morality - by frankiej - August 31, 2011 at 10:44 am
RE: Morality - by TeslaTrooper - August 31, 2011 at 2:57 pm
RE: Morality - by Citereh - August 31, 2011 at 10:49 am
RE: Morality - by frankiej - August 31, 2011 at 10:51 am
RE: Morality - by downbeatplumb - August 31, 2011 at 1:37 pm
RE: Morality - by Faith No More - August 31, 2011 at 1:38 pm
RE: Morality - by The Grand Nudger - August 31, 2011 at 1:42 pm
RE: Morality - by The Grand Nudger - August 31, 2011 at 3:40 pm
RE: Morality - by ElDinero - August 31, 2011 at 3:41 pm
RE: Morality - by TeslaTrooper - August 31, 2011 at 3:55 pm
RE: Morality - by ElDinero - August 31, 2011 at 7:38 pm
RE: Morality - by Ace Otana - August 31, 2011 at 3:52 pm
RE: Morality - by TeslaTrooper - August 31, 2011 at 4:01 pm
RE: Morality - by The Grand Nudger - August 31, 2011 at 4:00 pm
RE: Morality - by thesummerqueen - August 31, 2011 at 4:01 pm
RE: Morality - by The Grand Nudger - August 31, 2011 at 4:05 pm
RE: Morality - by Ace Otana - August 31, 2011 at 4:08 pm
RE: Morality - by Cinjin - August 31, 2011 at 4:12 pm
RE: Morality - by TeslaTrooper - September 1, 2011 at 3:44 am
RE: Morality - by Faith No More - September 1, 2011 at 4:41 pm
RE: Morality - by MilesTailsPrower - August 31, 2011 at 10:23 pm
RE: Morality - by Darwinian - August 31, 2011 at 10:39 pm
RE: Morality - by The Grand Nudger - September 1, 2011 at 12:17 am
RE: Morality - by Welsh cake - September 1, 2011 at 2:00 am
RE: Morality - by ElDinero - September 1, 2011 at 5:49 am
RE: Morality - by TeslaTrooper - September 1, 2011 at 7:57 am
RE: Morality - by ElDinero - September 1, 2011 at 9:15 am
RE: Morality - by TeslaTrooper - September 5, 2011 at 3:26 am
RE: Morality - by ElDinero - September 5, 2011 at 6:31 am
RE: Morality - by TeslaTrooper - September 6, 2011 at 4:05 am
RE: Morality - by ElDinero - September 6, 2011 at 4:25 am
RE: Morality - by TeslaTrooper - September 7, 2011 at 3:50 am
RE: Morality - by Rokcet Scientist - September 6, 2011 at 11:30 am
RE: Morality - by Welsh cake - September 1, 2011 at 8:39 am
RE: Morality - by paintpooper - September 1, 2011 at 5:03 pm
RE: Morality - by The Grand Nudger - September 1, 2011 at 5:52 pm
RE: Morality - by Rokcet Scientist - September 1, 2011 at 7:12 pm
RE: Morality - by padraic - September 2, 2011 at 1:08 am
RE: Morality - by thesummerqueen - September 2, 2011 at 3:37 am
RE: Morality - by padraic - September 2, 2011 at 4:45 am
RE: Morality - by Rokcet Scientist - September 2, 2011 at 9:58 am
RE: Morality - by KichigaiNeko - September 2, 2011 at 7:42 am
RE: Morality - by frankiej - September 2, 2011 at 7:44 am
RE: Morality - by padraic - September 2, 2011 at 8:05 pm
RE: Morality - by Rokcet Scientist - September 2, 2011 at 8:20 pm
RE: Morality - by KichigaiNeko - September 2, 2011 at 7:46 am
RE: Morality - by frankiej - September 2, 2011 at 7:54 am
RE: Morality - by thesummerqueen - September 2, 2011 at 10:02 am
RE: Morality - by Rokcet Scientist - September 2, 2011 at 7:44 pm
RE: Morality - by The Grand Nudger - September 2, 2011 at 7:56 pm
RE: Morality - by padraic - September 5, 2011 at 3:53 am
RE: Morality - by Rwandrall - September 5, 2011 at 7:12 am
RE: Morality - by ElDinero - September 5, 2011 at 7:40 am
RE: Morality - by The Grand Nudger - September 5, 2011 at 9:49 am
RE: Morality - by ElDinero - September 5, 2011 at 11:35 am
RE: Morality - by Rwandrall - September 5, 2011 at 5:53 pm
RE: Morality - by frankiej - September 5, 2011 at 5:54 pm
RE: Morality - by Rwandrall - September 5, 2011 at 5:57 pm
RE: Morality - by frankiej - September 5, 2011 at 6:00 pm
RE: Morality - by ElDinero - September 5, 2011 at 6:51 pm
RE: Morality - by Rokcet Scientist - September 5, 2011 at 10:03 pm
RE: Morality - by padraic - September 6, 2011 at 2:12 am
RE: Morality - by ElDinero - September 6, 2011 at 3:21 am
RE: Morality - by ElDinero - September 7, 2011 at 4:21 am
RE: Morality - by ThomM - September 7, 2011 at 2:41 pm
RE: Morality - by Violet - September 7, 2011 at 3:37 pm
RE: Morality - by ElDinero - September 7, 2011 at 4:20 pm
RE: Morality - by Violet - September 7, 2011 at 4:55 pm
RE: Morality - by Diamond-Deist - September 7, 2011 at 3:48 pm
RE: Morality - by The Grand Nudger - September 7, 2011 at 3:53 pm
RE: Morality - by thesummerqueen - September 7, 2011 at 4:24 pm
RE: Morality - by ElDinero - September 7, 2011 at 4:33 pm
RE: Morality - by The Grand Nudger - September 7, 2011 at 4:27 pm
RE: Morality - by thesummerqueen - September 7, 2011 at 4:34 pm
RE: Morality - by ElDinero - September 7, 2011 at 5:13 pm
RE: Morality - by Violet - September 7, 2011 at 5:20 pm
RE: Morality - by ElDinero - September 7, 2011 at 5:42 pm
RE: Morality - by Violet - September 7, 2011 at 5:47 pm
RE: Morality - by Rokcet Scientist - September 7, 2011 at 6:08 pm
RE: Morality - by Diamond-Deist - September 7, 2011 at 6:13 pm
RE: Morality - by Rokcet Scientist - September 7, 2011 at 6:17 pm
RE: Morality - by Diamond-Deist - September 7, 2011 at 6:26 pm
RE: Morality - by Violet - September 7, 2011 at 6:23 pm
RE: Morality - by Rokcet Scientist - September 7, 2011 at 6:51 pm
RE: Morality - by ElDinero - September 7, 2011 at 5:50 pm
RE: Morality - by The Grand Nudger - September 7, 2011 at 6:19 pm
RE: Morality - by Faith No More - September 7, 2011 at 6:38 pm
RE: Morality - by The Grand Nudger - September 7, 2011 at 6:26 pm
RE: Morality - by Violet - September 8, 2011 at 11:38 pm
RE: Morality - by ElDinero - September 7, 2011 at 6:33 pm
RE: Morality - by The Grand Nudger - September 7, 2011 at 6:43 pm
RE: Morality - by Peter44 - September 8, 2011 at 3:13 pm
RE: Morality - by The Grand Nudger - September 8, 2011 at 3:35 pm
RE: Morality - by Rokcet Scientist - September 8, 2011 at 3:46 pm
RE: Morality - by Peter44 - September 9, 2011 at 4:56 am
RE: Morality - by Rwandrall - September 9, 2011 at 4:52 am
RE: Morality - by ElDinero - September 9, 2011 at 4:59 am
RE: Morality - by Faith No More - September 9, 2011 at 6:04 am
RE: Morality - by Violet - September 9, 2011 at 12:26 pm
RE: Morality - by Peter44 - September 9, 2011 at 5:02 am
RE: Morality - by Rwandrall - September 9, 2011 at 7:39 am
RE: Morality - by Peter44 - September 9, 2011 at 3:10 pm
RE: Morality - by Rwandrall - September 9, 2011 at 8:35 pm
RE: Morality - by Peter44 - September 11, 2011 at 2:33 pm
RE: Morality - by ElDinero - September 9, 2011 at 7:01 am
RE: Morality - by The Grand Nudger - September 9, 2011 at 10:46 am
RE: Morality - by Peter44 - September 9, 2011 at 11:10 am
RE: Morality - by The Grand Nudger - September 9, 2011 at 11:53 am
RE: Morality - by ElDinero - September 9, 2011 at 12:37 pm
RE: Morality - by Violet - September 9, 2011 at 1:03 pm
RE: Morality - by ElDinero - September 10, 2011 at 8:06 am
RE: Morality - by Rokcet Scientist - September 10, 2011 at 11:05 am
RE: Morality - by Violet - September 10, 2011 at 12:51 pm
RE: Morality - by frankiej - September 9, 2011 at 3:16 pm
RE: Morality - by The Grand Nudger - September 10, 2011 at 11:13 am
RE: Morality - by downbeatplumb - September 11, 2011 at 4:31 pm
RE: Morality - by The Grand Nudger - September 11, 2011 at 6:16 pm
RE: Morality - by padraic - September 11, 2011 at 7:36 pm
RE: Morality - by Violet - September 11, 2011 at 9:45 pm
RE: Morality - by ElDinero - September 11, 2011 at 9:27 pm
RE: Morality - by Violet - September 11, 2011 at 9:58 pm
RE: Morality - by The Grand Nudger - September 11, 2011 at 9:47 pm
RE: Morality - by ElDinero - September 11, 2011 at 10:11 pm
RE: Morality - by Violet - September 11, 2011 at 10:34 pm
RE: Morality - by The Grand Nudger - September 11, 2011 at 11:09 pm
RE: Morality - by Violet - September 11, 2011 at 11:11 pm
RE: Morality - by The Grand Nudger - September 11, 2011 at 11:13 pm
RE: Morality - by Violet - September 11, 2011 at 11:15 pm
RE: Morality - by ElDinero - September 12, 2011 at 5:00 am
RE: Morality - by Rokcet Scientist - September 12, 2011 at 11:10 am
RE: Morality - by Violet - September 12, 2011 at 12:49 pm
RE: Morality - by ElDinero - September 12, 2011 at 2:03 pm
RE: Morality - by Violet - September 12, 2011 at 6:34 pm
RE: Morality - by Peter44 - September 15, 2011 at 1:24 pm
RE: Morality - by Rokcet Scientist - September 15, 2011 at 6:11 pm

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