RE: The Jeff Sessions "Religious Liberty Task Force"
August 5, 2018 at 6:52 am
(This post was last modified: August 5, 2018 at 7:49 am by The Industrial Atheist.)
(August 5, 2018 at 1:55 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote:Yes, the DOJ’s commitment to uphold the First Amendment’s guarantee of the free exercise of religion applies to Christians (like Masterpiece Cakeshop owner Jack Phillips, who was one of the panelists at the DOJ’s Summit on Religious Liberty), but every American wins when the government allows religious adherents to peacefully live out their beliefs.(August 4, 2018 at 2:15 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote:
Now granted, the belief the the US is a Christian nation is little more than a basic belief for many, a statement which has no real meaning at all. Perhaps to most people it merely means that Christians are a majority in this country. Only the foulest of Tennessee holy rollers wants to subjugate all nonchristians. It would seem that the "ugly" interpretation of America being a Christian nation is really only strong in the fringes of the religious right. But that's not quite accurate. Newt Gingrich, for example, has argued the view that the First Amendment was only meant to apply to religious liberty within Christianity, and I consider him fairly mainstream.
Look at it this way: rural Mississippi, even in contemporary times, is plagued by residual racism from "the good old days." Institutional racism in rural Mississippi is far worse than it is in, say, San Francisco. I remember a few years back, I was watching C-SPAN's call-in show in which Bill O'Reilly was a guest. One caller was a black man from Mississippi. He said he was "as conservative as they come" but "Mississippi has a race problem. You have got to be white, or you aren't getting anywhere" (I'm paraphrasing, btw, but that's close enough to his actual words that I feel that quotation marks are warranted). Bill O'Reilly advised him to move away from Mississippi and that little can be done to change something so ingrained in the culture.
What does this have to do with a religious liberty task force? Well, imagine how you might be suspicious of a "white person liberty task force" if it were instituted by the State of Mississippi. I believe that white people's liberties deserve protection just as much as anyone else's. But a "white person liberty task force" in Mississippi would give me pause. Not only do whites not need specific protection there, by-and-large, other cultural groups need protection from their cultural influence.
It's a bit of a hyperbolic example, but it sums my concerns about a "religious liberty task force" being founded in America by someone with an obvious old school Southern Christian bent. Christianity is culturally dominant in the United States--period. I believe that Christians' religious liberties deserve protection as much as anyone else's. But (for the reasons stated above) Jeff Sessions's religious liberty task force gives me pause.
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Ok, so it’s back to fear again or worry about what might occur.
But this doesn’t seem to be just about Christians. Nor is this making a new law, but about enforcing a long standing constitutional principle.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/08/r...eedom/amp/
I don’t see the issue.
I don't see what's keeping them from peacefully living out their beliefs. Just don't tack on government sanction of bigotry to it and we're fine. No action needs to be taken as they can already do everything that's legal.
Let's say RLTF funds lawyers for the next cake bakers that don't serve "those kinds of people." It gives them a clear and unfair advantage against the gay couple, even if they're doing it to prove a point. There are places where almost no one will bake a gay wedding cake. Should they have to make their cake out of a box themselves because of who they love? I think not.
Religious liberty applies to every American, not just one group. Far from the caricature Eichenwald and others put forward, the list of panelists at the DOJ Summit included Muslims, Jews, and Sikhs working together to ensure the American promise of religious liberty to adherents to any faith — including secularism and atheism.
That sounds good, but they need a different Attorney General. Sessions doesn't even believe in separation of Church and State.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/wha...e600a78eca
(August 3, 2018 at 4:38 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote:(August 3, 2018 at 8:48 am)The Industrial Atheist Wrote: %75 of Americans are Christians. Almost all of Congress is. Just who is going to infringe on their rights? Persecution complex much?
I know, right? The persecution complex drives me crazy. Poor Christian's can't,.......do what exactly? I mean what aren't they allowed to do that other people can?
They want extra rights, I guess.