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Pre law there is only righteousness and evil. The righteous per abraham's example sinned. yet still found favor with God. Why because they followed Him. over what they wanted for themselves. It wasn't God was good with sin, there was simply no expectation to follow a non existent law. Parable of the talents give an idea from Christ Himself to your bit in romans 2 saying we have a version of the law written on our hearts (in essence we are responsible to what God gives us to understand)
The people in S&G were EVIL like 100% My personal feelings also wants to judge Lot as being completely lost as well, But God saw fit to save him through abraham. I honestly think Abraham thought if lot was salvageable then there must be 50 people he knew like lot who lived there but was not gone or not consumed by the city's evil! So this leads to Abraham to plea for the city because I'm sure like us he thought people are basically good and if he can find his 50 people he knew then all the other 'good people' would also be saved.
Then 50 turn to 40 then 30 and so on. When he got to 10 he dare not go any lower because lot and his family were 4. could you imagine if lot's wife were given the opportunity to stay and chance it? then lot would stay an so too the girls.. because I think abraham had a rude awakening in those in whom he thought he knew, and then also saw the same devotion to the city and lifestyle in lot's family.. This is why lot's wife turn back and looked lonely at the city thus sealing her fate as a pillar of salt. At her core she too was evil which is why she turn and mourned the destruction of her city life. This also had the added benefit of lot and the girls getting out of the city and cementing what God had to say
Abraham communication with God was indeed different than his jewish descendants, or the preserved roman gentiles of romans 2. As none of them had direct contact with God unless god sent a prophet or if God pours out the holy spirit. We post baptism of water and the spirit indeed have access to the spirit but that is not who is being described in Romans 2.
Pre law there is only righteousness and evil. The righteous per abraham's example sinned. yet still found favor with God. Why because they followed Him. over what they wanted for themselves. It wasn't God was good with sin, there was simply no expectation to follow a non existent law. Parable of the talents give an idea from Christ Himself to your bit in romans 2 saying we have a version of the law written on our hearts (in essence we are responsible to what God gives us to understand)
The people in S&G were EVIL like 100% My personal feelings also wants to judge Lot as being completely lost as well, But God saw fit to save him through abraham. I honestly think Abraham thought if lot was salvageable then there must be 50 people he knew like lot who lived there but was not gone or not consumed by the city's evil! So this leads to Abraham to plea for the city because I'm sure like us he thought people are basically good and if he can find his 50 people he knew then all the other 'good people' would also be saved.
Then 50 turn to 40 then 30 and so on. When he got to 10 he dare not go any lower because lot and his family were 4. could you imagine if lot's wife were given the opportunity to stay and chance it? then lot would stay an so too the girls.. because I think abraham had a rude awakening in those in whom he thought he knew, and then also saw the same devotion to the city and lifestyle in lot's family.. This is why lot's wife turn back and looked lonely at the city thus sealing her fate as a pillar of salt. At her core she too was evil which is why she turn and mourned the destruction of her city life. This also had the added benefit of lot and the girls getting out of the city and cementing what God had to say
Abraham communication with God was indeed different than his jewish descendants, or the preserved roman gentiles of romans 2. As none of them had direct contact with God unless god sent a prophet or if God pours out the holy spirit. We post baptism of water and the spirit indeed have access to the spirit but that is not who is being described in Romans 2.
Quote:Sin-acknowledge-Repent-accept forgiveness The Jews just add atonement at the end because they believe works get you into Heaven.What I am saying according to the example here through abraham is it is possible to sin and never be evil. Evil is a deep desire to be in sin or a heavy act of sin/knowing doing something God does not want. example abraham lied about his relationship with sarah. not because he wanted to but because he thought he had to to save both of them. He did this in an attempt to be in the will of God/He saw no other way to be in God's will. Again I attribute this to living without a law as even though abraham lied he was seen as righteous before God.
Sin is turning away from God. If God is good then Sin is turning towards Evil and away from good and God. Therefore sinning makes you evil, you can argue the degree but it misses the point. Sinning is an act, it happens in a moment. It doesn't matter if you're cheating on taxes or murdering your wife's sister to a Holy God. We have all sinned to some degree and that makes us all, at least some part, evil. Righteousness is also an action; acting in accord with divine or moral law. Same argument applies to righteousness then, you can be both partially righteous and a partially sinful as a whole person, just not at the same exact moment in time.
