re Grandizer post 566
“...words like "image" and "likeness" seem to indicate physicality...”
Yes, they could be understood thusly if we had no other Scripture then Genesis.
It is hard to imagine having any “concrete” comprehension’s of God without using any anthropomorphisms. It is quite clear that God created man to have “fellowship” with him/her. A painful reality is that of sin & the breaking of what this “fellowship” was meant to be. Hence, there was a devolution of communion & communication. Thankfully, God still speaks to our limited understandings. What is it that God is angered with - sin in all or any of it’s manifestations.
Back to the Holy Book - does it anywhere say that God is man outside of Christ?
Does it say that God is spirit?
re Bucky Ball post 566
“Great. Let's have a list. Now.”
Archaeology is “the scientific study of extinct peoples through skeletal remains, fossils, and objects of human workmanship (as implements, artifacts, monuments, or inscriptions) found in the earth” The most important artifact any civilization leaves is its literature.
Sir William Ramsay graduated from Oxford University with a doctorate in philosophy, for his work with ‘orthotoluic acid’. He discovered Krypton and Neon and received distinguished awards from numerous societies (including Pope Leo XII, and the Royal Geographical Society). He taught at Cambridge and Oxford. Ramsay was raised as a Biblical non-believer, by his atheist parents.
Sir Ramsay, was determined to undermine the historical accuracy of the Bible (which he preferred to call a “Book of fables”). He studied archaeology with the aim of disproving the Biblical account. Once ready with the necessary scientific tools and learning, he travelled to Palestine and focused on the book of Acts, which he fully expected to refute as nothing more than myth.
After 25 years of work and research, travelling Asia and the Middle East. Ramsay was awestruck by the historical accuracy and evidence of the New Testament. In his quest to refute the Bible, Ramsay discovered many facts which confirmed its precision. He was forced to concede that Biblical events and settings were exact even in the smallest detail. Far from attacking the Biblical account, Ramsay produced a book, St. Paul, the Traveler and Roman Citizen, which supported Biblical events.
Eventually, William Ramsay shocked the intellectual world by writing that he had converted to Christianity. Ironically, this man who set out to refute the Bible, found himself accepting the Bible as God's Word because of his academic explorations and factual discoveries.
Dr. Simon Greenleaf one of the greatest legal minds that ever lived. Dr. Simon Greenleaf believed the Resurrection of Jesus Christ was a hoax. And he determined, once and for all, to expose the "myth" of the Resurrection. After thoroughly examining the evidence for the resurrection Dr. Greenleaf came to the exact opposite conclusion.
He wrote a book entitled, An Examination of the Testimony of the Four Evangelists by the Rules of Evidence Administered in the Courts of Justice. In which he emphatically stated: "it was impossible that the apostles could have persisted in affirming the truths they had narrated, had not Jesus Christ actually risen from the dead,”
Professor William F. Albright - He received his PhD from Johns Hopkins University, and was best known for his role in the authentication of the Dead Sea Scrolls in 1948.
He is considered the leading authority in theorist and practitioner of Biblical archaeology. Albright was awarded the "Worthy One of Jerusalem”- the first time it was awarded to a non-Jew. He insisted that the Biblical book of Genesis was historical and the details should be considered accurate.
Sir Frederic Kenyon - He was President of the British Academy and also director of the British museum. His expertise in archaeology showed us how science can corroborate many of the historical events of the Bible. A British palaeographer, Biblical and classical scholar, he made a life-long study of the Bible, especially the New Testament as an historical text. His book Our Bible and the Ancient Manuscripts, showed how Egyptian papyri and other evidence from archaeology can corroborate the historical events in the Gospel.
Sir Frederic Kenyon is considered second to none, as an authority on ancient manuscripts by secularists, Muslims, and Christians. A former Director of the British Museum and one of the greatest authorities on the subject, said in his book Our Bible and the Ancient Manuscripts: “The number of manuscripts of the New Testament, or early translations from it in the oldest writers of the Church, is so large that it is practically certain that the true reading of every doubtful passage is preserved in some one or other of these ancient authorities. This can be said of no other ancient book in the world”.
He was convinced of the historical reality of the events described in the New Testament - and is often quoted by those who share this most commonly with these words: “the last foundation for any doubt that the Scriptures have come down to us substantially as they were written has now been removed.”
Professor Nelson Glueck - He was President of the British Academy and also director of the British museum. His expertise in archaeology showed us how science can corroborate many of the historical events of the Bible. Specifically, he pursued the correlation between history and Biblical facts.
Gluck’s contention is that very little was lost in the transmission of text from more than 24,000 ancient manuscripts of the New Testament. He states, “There is more evidence for the reliability of the text of the New Testament than there is for any ten pieces of classical literature put together. It is in better textual shape than the 37 plays of William Shakespeare which were written a mere 300 years ago, after the invention of the printing press!”
Besides the massive numbers of early New Testament documents, the Old Testament can also be substantiated by the Jewish community who continue to corroborate the proof for its accuracy, as well as documents such as the Septuagint and the Dead Sea Scrolls which give added weight to the claim that it has never been changed. Even the Qur'an, possibly written during the 7th-8th centuries recognized the authority of our scriptures (see suras 2:136; 3:2-3; 4:136; 5:47-52, 68; 10:95; 21:7; and 29:46).
It has been proved that, outside of the very few scribal errors, the historical events and personages are adequately correct, as they do not confuse names, dates and events, and in fact, surprisingly, continue to coincide with current archaeological findings. This is indeed significant, since with each successive year, ongoing documental and archaeological discoveries fail to divulge any historical contradictions. Instead they continue to corroborate what the Bible has been saying for 2,000-3,000 years (examples such as the Ebla tablets, or the newly discovered tomb of the priest Caiaphus give continuing credibility to the scriptures historical trustworthiness).”
ALSO FOR CONDIDERATION
Professor Antony Flew was a prominent British philosopher, belonging to the analytic and ‘evidentialist’ schools of thought. He was considered to be one of the most influential and committed advocates of atheism. Flew took the position that atheism should be presupposed until the evidence for God was presented. However, in 2004 he shocked the academic world by stating his allegiance to a belief in the existence of God, and authored the book "There is a God: How the World’s Most Notorious Atheist Changed His Mind".
In a published interview shortly after his conversion Flew stated that, “reason, mainly in the form of arguments to design, assures us that there is a God…and the most impressive arguments for God’s existence are those that are supported by recent scientific discoveries.”
Flew expressed his belief in God was the result of his “growing empathy with the insight of Einstein and other noted scientist that there had to be an Intelligence behind the integrated complexity of the physical Universe” and “my own insight that the integrated complexity of life itself, which is far more complex than the physical universe, can only be explained in terms of an Intelligent Source.
Gerald L. Schroeder was a scientist, author, and noted lecturer. He attained a reputation of focusing on a perceived inherent relationship between science and spirituality.
In 1965, Schroeder received his Ph.D. from the Massachusetts institute of technology in nuclear physics and earth and planetary sciences. His authored works include Genesis and the Big Bang, the Science of God: The Convergence of Scientific and Biblical Wisdom and the Hidden Face of God: Science Reveals the Ultimate Truth.
C.S. Lewis a British literary critic, scholar and author who became the chair of medieval and Renaissance English at Cambridge. During his time at Oxford, Lewis went from being an atheist to being one of the most influential Christian writers of the 20th century.
Sir Isaac Newton was a physicist, theologian mathematician, astronomer and natural philosopher. His brilliant work in physics has influenced all of science. He established the foundation for mechanical science, with his work on laws of gravitation and the three laws of motion.
However, many are not aware of his factual Biblical writings, spending more time on Christian Theology than on science. His methodical scientific nature caused him to approach the Bible on a more pragmatic factual level. Newton was not one to waste his time on mythical fiction. He was motivated to pursue factual truth writing over 1.2 million words on Biblical subjects. One will have to question what logical premise motivates brilliant individuals to pursue the Biblical truth and why many skeptics choose not to understand or pursue the truth.
donald
“...words like "image" and "likeness" seem to indicate physicality...”
Yes, they could be understood thusly if we had no other Scripture then Genesis.
It is hard to imagine having any “concrete” comprehension’s of God without using any anthropomorphisms. It is quite clear that God created man to have “fellowship” with him/her. A painful reality is that of sin & the breaking of what this “fellowship” was meant to be. Hence, there was a devolution of communion & communication. Thankfully, God still speaks to our limited understandings. What is it that God is angered with - sin in all or any of it’s manifestations.
Back to the Holy Book - does it anywhere say that God is man outside of Christ?
Does it say that God is spirit?
re Bucky Ball post 566
“Great. Let's have a list. Now.”
Archaeology is “the scientific study of extinct peoples through skeletal remains, fossils, and objects of human workmanship (as implements, artifacts, monuments, or inscriptions) found in the earth” The most important artifact any civilization leaves is its literature.
Sir William Ramsay graduated from Oxford University with a doctorate in philosophy, for his work with ‘orthotoluic acid’. He discovered Krypton and Neon and received distinguished awards from numerous societies (including Pope Leo XII, and the Royal Geographical Society). He taught at Cambridge and Oxford. Ramsay was raised as a Biblical non-believer, by his atheist parents.
Sir Ramsay, was determined to undermine the historical accuracy of the Bible (which he preferred to call a “Book of fables”). He studied archaeology with the aim of disproving the Biblical account. Once ready with the necessary scientific tools and learning, he travelled to Palestine and focused on the book of Acts, which he fully expected to refute as nothing more than myth.
After 25 years of work and research, travelling Asia and the Middle East. Ramsay was awestruck by the historical accuracy and evidence of the New Testament. In his quest to refute the Bible, Ramsay discovered many facts which confirmed its precision. He was forced to concede that Biblical events and settings were exact even in the smallest detail. Far from attacking the Biblical account, Ramsay produced a book, St. Paul, the Traveler and Roman Citizen, which supported Biblical events.
Eventually, William Ramsay shocked the intellectual world by writing that he had converted to Christianity. Ironically, this man who set out to refute the Bible, found himself accepting the Bible as God's Word because of his academic explorations and factual discoveries.
Dr. Simon Greenleaf one of the greatest legal minds that ever lived. Dr. Simon Greenleaf believed the Resurrection of Jesus Christ was a hoax. And he determined, once and for all, to expose the "myth" of the Resurrection. After thoroughly examining the evidence for the resurrection Dr. Greenleaf came to the exact opposite conclusion.
He wrote a book entitled, An Examination of the Testimony of the Four Evangelists by the Rules of Evidence Administered in the Courts of Justice. In which he emphatically stated: "it was impossible that the apostles could have persisted in affirming the truths they had narrated, had not Jesus Christ actually risen from the dead,”
Professor William F. Albright - He received his PhD from Johns Hopkins University, and was best known for his role in the authentication of the Dead Sea Scrolls in 1948.
He is considered the leading authority in theorist and practitioner of Biblical archaeology. Albright was awarded the "Worthy One of Jerusalem”- the first time it was awarded to a non-Jew. He insisted that the Biblical book of Genesis was historical and the details should be considered accurate.
Sir Frederic Kenyon - He was President of the British Academy and also director of the British museum. His expertise in archaeology showed us how science can corroborate many of the historical events of the Bible. A British palaeographer, Biblical and classical scholar, he made a life-long study of the Bible, especially the New Testament as an historical text. His book Our Bible and the Ancient Manuscripts, showed how Egyptian papyri and other evidence from archaeology can corroborate the historical events in the Gospel.
Sir Frederic Kenyon is considered second to none, as an authority on ancient manuscripts by secularists, Muslims, and Christians. A former Director of the British Museum and one of the greatest authorities on the subject, said in his book Our Bible and the Ancient Manuscripts: “The number of manuscripts of the New Testament, or early translations from it in the oldest writers of the Church, is so large that it is practically certain that the true reading of every doubtful passage is preserved in some one or other of these ancient authorities. This can be said of no other ancient book in the world”.
He was convinced of the historical reality of the events described in the New Testament - and is often quoted by those who share this most commonly with these words: “the last foundation for any doubt that the Scriptures have come down to us substantially as they were written has now been removed.”
Professor Nelson Glueck - He was President of the British Academy and also director of the British museum. His expertise in archaeology showed us how science can corroborate many of the historical events of the Bible. Specifically, he pursued the correlation between history and Biblical facts.
Gluck’s contention is that very little was lost in the transmission of text from more than 24,000 ancient manuscripts of the New Testament. He states, “There is more evidence for the reliability of the text of the New Testament than there is for any ten pieces of classical literature put together. It is in better textual shape than the 37 plays of William Shakespeare which were written a mere 300 years ago, after the invention of the printing press!”
Besides the massive numbers of early New Testament documents, the Old Testament can also be substantiated by the Jewish community who continue to corroborate the proof for its accuracy, as well as documents such as the Septuagint and the Dead Sea Scrolls which give added weight to the claim that it has never been changed. Even the Qur'an, possibly written during the 7th-8th centuries recognized the authority of our scriptures (see suras 2:136; 3:2-3; 4:136; 5:47-52, 68; 10:95; 21:7; and 29:46).
It has been proved that, outside of the very few scribal errors, the historical events and personages are adequately correct, as they do not confuse names, dates and events, and in fact, surprisingly, continue to coincide with current archaeological findings. This is indeed significant, since with each successive year, ongoing documental and archaeological discoveries fail to divulge any historical contradictions. Instead they continue to corroborate what the Bible has been saying for 2,000-3,000 years (examples such as the Ebla tablets, or the newly discovered tomb of the priest Caiaphus give continuing credibility to the scriptures historical trustworthiness).”
ALSO FOR CONDIDERATION
Professor Antony Flew was a prominent British philosopher, belonging to the analytic and ‘evidentialist’ schools of thought. He was considered to be one of the most influential and committed advocates of atheism. Flew took the position that atheism should be presupposed until the evidence for God was presented. However, in 2004 he shocked the academic world by stating his allegiance to a belief in the existence of God, and authored the book "There is a God: How the World’s Most Notorious Atheist Changed His Mind".
In a published interview shortly after his conversion Flew stated that, “reason, mainly in the form of arguments to design, assures us that there is a God…and the most impressive arguments for God’s existence are those that are supported by recent scientific discoveries.”
Flew expressed his belief in God was the result of his “growing empathy with the insight of Einstein and other noted scientist that there had to be an Intelligence behind the integrated complexity of the physical Universe” and “my own insight that the integrated complexity of life itself, which is far more complex than the physical universe, can only be explained in terms of an Intelligent Source.
Gerald L. Schroeder was a scientist, author, and noted lecturer. He attained a reputation of focusing on a perceived inherent relationship between science and spirituality.
In 1965, Schroeder received his Ph.D. from the Massachusetts institute of technology in nuclear physics and earth and planetary sciences. His authored works include Genesis and the Big Bang, the Science of God: The Convergence of Scientific and Biblical Wisdom and the Hidden Face of God: Science Reveals the Ultimate Truth.
C.S. Lewis a British literary critic, scholar and author who became the chair of medieval and Renaissance English at Cambridge. During his time at Oxford, Lewis went from being an atheist to being one of the most influential Christian writers of the 20th century.
Sir Isaac Newton was a physicist, theologian mathematician, astronomer and natural philosopher. His brilliant work in physics has influenced all of science. He established the foundation for mechanical science, with his work on laws of gravitation and the three laws of motion.
However, many are not aware of his factual Biblical writings, spending more time on Christian Theology than on science. His methodical scientific nature caused him to approach the Bible on a more pragmatic factual level. Newton was not one to waste his time on mythical fiction. He was motivated to pursue factual truth writing over 1.2 million words on Biblical subjects. One will have to question what logical premise motivates brilliant individuals to pursue the Biblical truth and why many skeptics choose not to understand or pursue the truth.
donald
