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Are UFO's and extraterrestrials real?
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RE: Are UFO's and extraterrestrials real?
(October 4, 2011 at 6:26 pm)padraic Wrote:
Quote:The testimony of these guys is the most compelling and fascinating evidence for ufos I have come across:

(1) A UFO by definition is 'an unidentified flying object',not sentient life from another plant. Nor is that conclusion implied,let alone inferred..

(2) Testimony in itself is neither compelling evidence nor proof. At best it's 'credible',but still needs supporting evidence. EG "I witnessed a murder" followed by a graphic account. The law still needs some hard evidence to proceed,such as a body,blood,or missing person.

A trial lawyer* will tell you that contrary to popular belief,eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.The reason is simple; most people are not very observant.

Do I believe the people saw what they claimed? Don't know, but I accept that they probably believe it ,and are not lying.

Context; My beloved brother is one of the most honourable men I've ever known. If HE said (and was not taking the piss); "I saw A UFO", I would believe him.If he then said "it was from another planet", I would believe he believed that, but would not believe the claim without some pretty extraordinary evidence. (say a wreck with dead aliens)

Carl Sagan said "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence


*my closest male friend is a senior prosecutor.(like an ADA in the US)

You make some good points. I don't think all these guys are saying that these ufos are necessarily extraterrestrial.

I would love the opinion of someone like your friend who has experience of assessing eye witness accounts and how their reliability is determined- because they must be reliable enough or eye witnesses wouldn't have any credibility in law surely? The documents that are being released under the freedom of information act, seem to be corroborating testomonies like these.
The 'proofs' offered at this news conference are open to scrutiny.

The fact that so many of these airforce/military personnel experienced the same things whilst going about a normal days work (I have no reason to believe all these people are lying or deluded), is very compelling to me, that ufos are real.

(October 4, 2011 at 6:27 pm)Rhythm Wrote: An hour and a half of storytelling. This is supposed to be evidence for what exactly?

So I take it you didn't watch the hour and a half 'story'?
"The eternal mystery of the world is its comprehensibility"

Albert Einstein
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