God's Love

[Johanabrahams]

So Johanabrahams said that

    (1) "God is love," [Msg #1]

and that

    (2) "love is a feeling." [Msg #20]

Therefore, we must conclude that

    (3) God is a feeling.

Well, that is a fairly innocuous and altogether uninteresting conclusion.

It also means that talking about "God's love" is incoherent, as it amounts to speaking of love's love. (Huh? Feelings don't have feelings.)

We really feel we need God to come and solve our crisis in covid19.

As chimp3 said: Who is this "we" to whom you are referring? Because, as it turns out, "we" don't feel that way at all. I'm willing to grant that some people do (and maybe you're one of them), but I suspect that quite a lot of people don't feel that way at all (and I'm one of those).


Pro tip: Presuming to speak for everybody can come across as really condescending, not to mention a bit insulting. It is not endearing.

Superman loves us and if he was real then ...

If he doesn't exist (isn't real), then he doesn't love us—since no referent exists for the consequently meaningless "he."

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P.S. This will be my one and only engagement with Johanabrahams, as I find him intolerably incoherent.

Well, that is a fairly innocuous and altogether uninteresting conclusion.

Yep.  I agree.

I will try and make an interesting one.

Then maybe we can engage a bit longer?

As chimp3 said: Who is this "we" to whom you are referring? Because, as it turns out, "we" don't feel that way at all. I'm willing to grant that some people do (and maybe you're one of them), but I suspect that quite a lot of people don't feel that way at all (and I'm one of those).

Nope.  I am not one that wants God to come and solve covid19.  I am with you.  But just for a different reason i think.  

Pro tip: Presuming to speak for everybody can come across as really condescending, not to mention a bit insulting. It is not endearing.

Thanks.  We are growing together.  

If he doesn't exist (isn't real), then he doesn't love us—since no referent exists for the consequently meaningless "he."

You don't think superman would have stopped covid if he was real?

P.S. This will be my one and only engagement with Johanabrahams, as I find him intolerably incoherent.

Ok.  I understand that.  But maybe this reply is a bit better?

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It isn't at all clear that the concept of 'love' is even applicable to God.

Since we can understand love to mean the situation that exists when another person's happiness is essential to your own, it follows that if I'm unhappy, then God is unhappy. If God is transcendent, then God is immutable and can't have varying emotional states.  Since, therefore, my unhappiness cannot make God unhappy, it follows that God not only doesn't love me, but isn't even capable of loving me.

Boru

It isn't at all clear that the concept of 'love' is even applicable to God.

yep.  I agree.  But it is because we just started with this topic.

Since we can understand love to mean the situation that exists when another person's happiness is essential to your own, it follows that if I'm unhappy, then God is unhappy.

I agree.  We have to be Perfectly Happy and Fulfilled for Him to be the same.  

If God is transcendent, then God is immutable and can't have varying emotional states.  Since, therefore, my unhappiness cannot make God unhappy, it follows that God not only doesn't love me, but isn't even capable of loving me.

So we have to find another interpretation of your "transcendent".

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Anyone who actually thinks God is love should read the Book of Job. If you still think God is love after that, you're deluded and lying to yourself.

 Nope.  I can not change.

Job 42
  10 And the Lord turned the captivity of Job, when he prayed for his friends: also the Lord gave Job twice as much as he had before.

   Then came there unto him all his brethren, and all his sisters, and all they that had been of his acquaintance before, and did eat bread with him in his house: and they bemoaned him, and comforted him over all the evil that the Lord had brought upon him: every man also gave him a piece of money, and every one an earring of gold.
   So the Lord blessed the latter end of Job more than his beginning: for he had fourteen thousand sheep, and six thousand camels, and a thousand yoke of oxen, and a thousand she asses.
   He had also seven sons and three daughters.
   And he called the name of the first, Jemima; and the name of the second, Kezia; and the name of the third, Keren–happuch.
   And in all the land were no women found so fair as the daughters of Job: and their father gave them inheritance among their brethren.
   After this lived Job an hundred and forty years, and saw his sons, and his sons’ sons, even four generations.
   So Job died, being old and full of days.

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You are clearly on "probably".  Speaking for Someone you don't know?

No. Speaking from a place of logic. “Mysterious ways” is neither an argument nor an explanation for such a contradiction.

No. Speaking from a place of logic.

So you agree then.  You don't know Him. 

“Mysterious ways” is neither an argument nor an explanation for such a contradiction.

Who said anything about "mysterious"?

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Johan,
Are the blinders courtesy of the fraternity, or do you have to provide your own?

Huh?

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My god is love yours, however, is a genocidal, infanticidal megalomaniac who keeps failing over and over.

There is time to come to the light.

RAmen.

My god is love

Good.  Tell us how you know. 

yours, however, is a genocidal, infanticidal megalomaniac who keeps failing over and over.

Why?

There is time to come to the light.

How?