(May 23, 2020 at 2:11 am)Johanabrahams Wrote:

(May 22, 2020 at 1:10 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: If god loved us, he probably wouldn’t have created diseases that wipe thousands of us out at clip.

You are clearly on "probably".  Speaking for Someone you don't know?

No. Speaking from a place of logic. “Mysterious ways” is neither an argument nor an explanation for such a contradiction.

Anyone who actually thinks God is love should read the Book of Job. If you still think God is love after that, you're deluded and lying to yourself.

So Johanabrahams said that

    (1) "God is love," [Msg #1]

and that

    (2) "love is a feeling." [Msg #20]

Therefore, we must conclude that

    (3) God is a feeling.

Well, that is a fairly innocuous and altogether uninteresting conclusion.

It also means that talking about "God's love" is incoherent, as it amounts to speaking of love's love. (Huh? Feelings don't have feelings.)

(May 21, 2020 at 6:23 am)Johanabrahams Wrote: We really feel we need God to come and solve our crisis in covid19.

As chimp3 said: Who is this "we" to whom you are referring? Because, as it turns out, "we" don't feel that way at all. I'm willing to grant that some people do (and maybe you're one of them), but I suspect that quite a lot of people don't feel that way at all (and I'm one of those).

Pro tip: Presuming to speak for everybody can come across as really condescending, not to mention a bit insulting. It is not endearing.

(May 21, 2020 at 6:23 am)Johanabrahams Wrote: Superman loves us and if he was real then ...

If he doesn't exist (isn't real), then he doesn't love us—since no referent exists for the consequently meaningless "he."

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P.S. This will be my one and only engagement with Johanabrahams, as I find him intolerably incoherent.

I've looking at Johanabrahams fb page. He is a real kook!

(May 23, 2020 at 2:37 am)Johanabrahams Wrote:

(May 22, 2020 at 3:16 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: Yes, when they say they are a video he made they are ACTUALLY a video he made.

Seems you don't like videos one make of oneself?

They are videos where he explains his rather off the wall ideas on the bible, they are bad ideas presented badly.


Just get him started on the "monkey people" and stand back.

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(May 23, 2020 at 2:28 pm)JohnMBauer Wrote: So Johanabrahams said that

    (1) "God is love," [Msg #1]

and that

    (2) "love is a feeling." [Msg #20]

Therefore, we must conclude that

    (3) God is a feeling.

Well, that is a fairly innocuous and altogether uninteresting conclusion.

It also means that talking about "God's love" is incoherent, as it amounts to speaking of love's love. (Huh? Feelings don't have feelings.)

(May 21, 2020 at 6:23 am)Johanabrahams Wrote: We really feel we need God to come and solve our crisis in covid19.

As chimp3 said: Who is this "we" to whom you are referring? Because, as it turns out, "we" don't feel that way at all. I'm willing to grant that some people do (and maybe you're one of them), but I suspect that quite a lot of people don't feel that way at all (and I'm one of those).

Pro tip: Presuming to speak for everybody can come across as really condescending, not to mention a bit insulting. It is not endearing.

(May 21, 2020 at 6:23 am)Johanabrahams Wrote: Superman loves us and if he was real then ...

If he doesn't exist (isn't real), then he doesn't love us—since no referent exists for the consequently meaningless "he."

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P.S. This will be my one and only engagement with Johanabrahams, as I find him intolerably incoherent.

I'm warming to this one.

(May 21, 2020 at 1:10 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(May 21, 2020 at 10:54 am)Drich Wrote: most here are shell shocked and are afraid to over commit. most infact have been reduced to a basic i believe in nothing, everything must be proven. unless they feel like they can get under you skin then it will turn into a feeding frenzy.

welcome to the forums good luck.

What Drich is trying to say is that we don't believe in things that have no evidence for them. You know like people do with most things except whatever faith they've been conned with since birth.

what drich is trying to say is he is not only intellectually monstrously stupid, his emotional intelligence is such that he bitterly resents anyone who can be so reprobate as to not be  quite as lacking in intellectual gifts as he.

If there's some mysterious ways horseshit in the pipe...say nothing, and let it be mysterious.

(May 23, 2020 at 3:06 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(May 23, 2020 at 2:37 am)Johanabrahams Wrote: Seems you don't like videos one make of oneself?

They are videos where he explains his rather off the wall ideas on the bible, they are bad ideas presented badly.


Just get him started on the "monkey people" and stand back.

Quote:They are videos where he explains his rather off the wall ideas on the bible, they are bad ideas presented badly.

Maybe they are very difficult for the intellect to explain and he is trying his best?

Because I have the idea that mine will also be to you as "rather off the wall"

Quote:Just get him started on the "monkey people" and stand back.

Thanks.   You can do that.  And i will "stand back.   

Because it seems to me that he is my Brother.  So I will get him "started" on somehing else. 

Then you can stand back again.

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(May 23, 2020 at 6:12 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote:

(May 21, 2020 at 1:10 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: What Drich is trying to say is that we don't believe in things that have no evidence for them. You know like people do with most things except whatever faith they've been conned with since birth.

what drich is trying to say is he is not only intellectually monstrously stupid, his emotional intelligence is such that he bitterly resents anyone who can be so reprobate as to not be  quite as lacking in intellectual gifts as he.

The amount of intellect that each got from God is different.  So we can not say much on a low IQ.  But "bitterly resents" is not good for the soul and needs to be replaced by Love.  So God can help there.  But of course you need to provide a link to that because as it is now it has now evidence and is no real Judgment but just your opinion.

The question now to me is this.  How do you handle His "bitter resentment"?

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(May 24, 2020 at 12:28 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: If there's some mysterious ways horseshit in the pipe...say nothing, and let it be mysterious.

I agree.  But when there is Love then enjoy it.

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(May 23, 2020 at 3:02 pm)chimp3 Wrote: I've looking at Johanabrahams fb page. He is a real kook!

Thanks.  That seems like you really want to know me for the sake of Love. First I would like to know more about why you say I am a "real kook"? And secondly. Can i look at yours too?

It isn't at all clear that the concept of 'love' is even applicable to God.

Since we can understand love to mean the situation that exists when another person's happiness is essential to your own, it follows that if I'm unhappy, then God is unhappy. If God is transcendent, then God is immutable and can't have varying emotional states.  Since, therefore, my unhappiness cannot make God unhappy, it follows that God not only doesn't love me, but isn't even capable of loving me.

Boru

(May 23, 2020 at 2:28 pm)JohnMBauer Wrote: So Johanabrahams said that

    (1) "God is love," [Msg #1]

and that

    (2) "love is a feeling." [Msg #20]

Therefore, we must conclude that

    (3) God is a feeling.

Well, that is a fairly innocuous and altogether uninteresting conclusion.

It also means that talking about "God's love" is incoherent, as it amounts to speaking of love's love. (Huh? Feelings don't have feelings.)

(May 21, 2020 at 6:23 am)Johanabrahams Wrote: We really feel we need God to come and solve our crisis in covid19.

As chimp3 said: Who is this "we" to whom you are referring? Because, as it turns out, "we" don't feel that way at all. I'm willing to grant that some people do (and maybe you're one of them), but I suspect that quite a lot of people don't feel that way at all (and I'm one of those).


Pro tip: Presuming to speak for everybody can come across as really condescending, not to mention a bit insulting. It is not endearing.

(May 21, 2020 at 6:23 am)Johanabrahams Wrote: Superman loves us and if he was real then ...

If he doesn't exist (isn't real), then he doesn't love us—since no referent exists for the consequently meaningless "he."

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P.S. This will be my one and only engagement with Johanabrahams, as I find him intolerably incoherent.

Quote:Well, that is a fairly innocuous and altogether uninteresting conclusion.

Yep.  I agree.

I will try and make an interesting one.

Then maybe we can engage a bit longer?

Quote:As chimp3 said: Who is this "we" to whom you are referring? Because, as it turns out, "we" don't feel that way at all. I'm willing to grant that some people do (and maybe you're one of them), but I suspect that quite a lot of people don't feel that way at all (and I'm one of those).

Nope.  I am not one that wants God to come and solve covid19.  I am with you.  But just for a different reason i think.  

Quote:Pro tip: Presuming to speak for everybody can come across as really condescending, not to mention a bit insulting. It is not endearing.

Thanks.  We are growing together.  

Quote:If he doesn't exist (isn't real), then he doesn't love us—since no referent exists for the consequently meaningless "he."

You don't think superman would have stopped covid if he was real?

Quote:P.S. This will be my one and only engagement with Johanabrahams, as I find him intolerably incoherent.

Ok.  I understand that.  But maybe this reply is a bit better?

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(May 24, 2020 at 6:21 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: It isn't at all clear that the concept of 'love' is even applicable to God.

Since we can understand love to mean the situation that exists when another person's happiness is essential to your own, it follows that if I'm unhappy, then God is unhappy. If God is transcendent, then God is immutable and can't have varying emotional states.  Since, therefore, my unhappiness cannot make God unhappy, it follows that God not only doesn't love me, but isn't even capable of loving me.

Boru

Quote:It isn't at all clear that the concept of 'love' is even applicable to God.

yep.  I agree.  But it is because we just started with this topic.

Quote:Since we can understand love to mean the situation that exists when another person's happiness is essential to your own, it follows that if I'm unhappy, then God is unhappy.

I agree.  We have to be Perfectly Happy and Fulfilled for Him to be the same.  

Quote: If God is transcendent, then God is immutable and can't have varying emotional states.  Since, therefore, my unhappiness cannot make God unhappy, it follows that God not only doesn't love me, but isn't even capable of loving me.

So we have to find another interpretation of your "transcendent".

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(May 23, 2020 at 1:01 pm)Gwaithmir Wrote: Anyone who actually thinks God is love should read the Book of Job. If you still think God is love after that, you're deluded and lying to yourself.

 Nope.  I can not change.

Job 42
  10 And the Lord turned the captivity of Job, when he prayed for his friends: also the Lord gave Job twice as much as he had before.

   Then came there unto him all his brethren, and all his sisters, and all they that had been of his acquaintance before, and did eat bread with him in his house: and they bemoaned him, and comforted him over all the evil that the Lord had brought upon him: every man also gave him a piece of money, and every one an earring of gold.
   So the Lord blessed the latter end of Job more than his beginning: for he had fourteen thousand sheep, and six thousand camels, and a thousand yoke of oxen, and a thousand she asses.
   He had also seven sons and three daughters.
   And he called the name of the first, Jemima; and the name of the second, Kezia; and the name of the third, Keren–happuch.
   And in all the land were no women found so fair as the daughters of Job: and their father gave them inheritance among their brethren.
   After this lived Job an hundred and forty years, and saw his sons, and his sons’ sons, even four generations.
   So Job died, being old and full of days.

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(May 23, 2020 at 12:53 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(May 23, 2020 at 2:11 am)Johanabrahams Wrote: You are clearly on "probably".  Speaking for Someone you don't know?

No. Speaking from a place of logic. “Mysterious ways” is neither an argument nor an explanation for such a contradiction.

Quote:No. Speaking from a place of logic.

So you agree then.  You don't know Him. 

Quote:“Mysterious ways” is neither an argument nor an explanation for such a contradiction.

Who said anything about "mysterious"?

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(May 23, 2020 at 4:21 am)no one Wrote: Johan,
Are the blinders courtesy of the fraternity, or do you have to provide your own?

Huh?

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(May 23, 2020 at 11:21 am)Nay_Sayer Wrote: My god is love yours, however, is a genocidal, infanticidal megalomaniac who keeps failing over and over.

There is time to come to the light.

RAmen.

Quote:My god is love

Good.  Tell us how you know. 

Quote:yours, however, is a genocidal, infanticidal megalomaniac who keeps failing over and over.

Why?

Quote:There is time to come to the light.

How?