RE: Why does God hate babies who have not sinned?
October 14, 2012 at 6:39 pm
(This post was last modified: October 14, 2012 at 7:11 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
No ones opinions hold any weight whatsoever Jeff. I'd ask a scholar the same question I'd ask you, evidence? Every-time some jackass points to the bible or quotes a bible verse when asked for this I die a little on the inside.
It is the evidence that has weight, not someones opinion. You criticized the notion that the christ narrative was mythical or legendary based upon the lack of time involved. Dark gave you an easy example of an actual person who had myth and legend spring up about them in their lifetime. Case closed on that count, for you, for Sherwin-White. Perhaps the narrative isn't mythical or legendary, but it isn't factual or historical based on this reason in any way.
Examples of myths and legends? Do you think that everything the greeks and romans wrote about their heroic leaders (and enemies) was factually accurate?
(are you -or any of your favorite scholars- going to be producing these source documents anytime soon? No? Oh, well, I guess that I can just claim that those documents had an even earlier source, ad infinitum, until I get to whatever point in time I feel is convenient, or pagan religion I want to use to mock your faeries with.)
I am blameless, my children are the scum of the earth....can I beat 2 of them now to make my not beating the third more wonderful for him, and how glorious is this beating going to be?
(I find this whole bit incredibly unsatyisfying btw, not only have you refused to answer such a simple and direct question no matter how many times I've asked, you've been attempting to modify -my question- until the principals involved are all wholly unrelated to the original gibberish you decided to spout off. So here we find ourselves, you practically calling our entire species christ-killers, waxing on about murder and how that justifies seeking justice..but you offer neither the murder nor justice...and what any of that has to do with my question -and your original statement-...who knows)
It is the evidence that has weight, not someones opinion. You criticized the notion that the christ narrative was mythical or legendary based upon the lack of time involved. Dark gave you an easy example of an actual person who had myth and legend spring up about them in their lifetime. Case closed on that count, for you, for Sherwin-White. Perhaps the narrative isn't mythical or legendary, but it isn't factual or historical based on this reason in any way.
Examples of myths and legends? Do you think that everything the greeks and romans wrote about their heroic leaders (and enemies) was factually accurate?
(are you -or any of your favorite scholars- going to be producing these source documents anytime soon? No? Oh, well, I guess that I can just claim that those documents had an even earlier source, ad infinitum, until I get to whatever point in time I feel is convenient, or pagan religion I want to use to mock your faeries with.)
(October 14, 2012 at 5:11 pm)Reasonable_Jeff Wrote: Christianity is not just another religion, Jesus is not just another prophet, the Bible is not just another book.Why, because you just quoted your own bible again? "Establish the bibles credibility" - "Well the bible says" -bzzzzzt, wrong answer. Christianity remains just another religion, Jesus remains just another prophet, the bible remains just another book.
Quote:My intent is to answer you question. If you feel I am not please let me know.Jesus-fucking-christ....
In your modified analogy you too are scum of the earth and just as guilty as they are. You would not have a "right" to beat them.
I am blameless, my children are the scum of the earth....can I beat 2 of them now to make my not beating the third more wonderful for him, and how glorious is this beating going to be?
Quote:That is the direct answer to your question, here is my "fiddling" with it to make it more accurate to the biblical teachings.Okay, I'm imagining it, can I beat them now?
Imagine that you had a son who was perfect, a paragon. Then you and him decide to make a home for orphans and provide food and clothes for them. The orphans, instead of showing gratitude, begin to tear apart everything that you give them. They begin to show love, appreciation and gratitude to strangers, but never to you. They will come home bruised, tired, hungry and cold and you clothe them and feed them again and again only to be further and further maligned.
Quote:Your paragon of a son steps in and tries to show them how much you (his father) cares for them and instead of listening to him they kill him thinking that now they will have the run of the place.Excellent, have we reached the point where I can beat them now?
Quote:As the father who is innocent you would be completely justified to have the orphans arrested and prosecuted for murder.OH, so you -did- kill jesus..well, I didn't. (I always knew it wasn't the jews).
Quote:You have a reputation for being a just man so you follow through with the law.....but you decide to show even further mercy to some and you keep them from being prosecuted for murder.I don't see any justice here Jeff. I see you peddling your myths again...and those myths are wholly unconnected with justice or mercy. Justice demands that all three "murderers" in your fairy tale example be punished (of course justice would also demand that these three actually commit a murder before it ever gets to the point of considering punishment.....that's something which you won't be able to establish, of course)....it isn't mercy but cronyism and favoritism that excuses one of the punishment set forth for the other two. Don't even get me started on the proposed mechanism for this whole sorry business. So it is with god indeed, or at least so you would hope...\
Justice was executed, mercy was shown.....so it is with God.
(I find this whole bit incredibly unsatyisfying btw, not only have you refused to answer such a simple and direct question no matter how many times I've asked, you've been attempting to modify -my question- until the principals involved are all wholly unrelated to the original gibberish you decided to spout off. So here we find ourselves, you practically calling our entire species christ-killers, waxing on about murder and how that justifies seeking justice..but you offer neither the murder nor justice...and what any of that has to do with my question -and your original statement-...who knows)
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