The idea of God always existing

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Isn't it wonderful when people just change the definitions of physical quantities, jut to suit their arguments?

Isn't it wonderful when we're both right?

The second law of thermodynamics says that every time energy is transformed from one state to another, there is a loss in the amount of that form of energy, which becomes available to perform work of some kind. The loss in the amount of ‘available energy’ is known as ‘entropy’. For example, if we burn a piece of coal, even then the total amount of energy remains the same but, due to the process of burning, some part of coal is transformed into sulphur-dioxide and other gases which go out and spread into space. Now, this part of the coal which has been transformed into sulfur dioxide and exhausts cannot be reborn to get the same work out of it. This kind of loss, wastage or penalty, is called 'Entropy'. The second law of Thermodynamics explains that the total entropy in the world is constantly increasing. An entropy increase, therefore, means a decrease in ‘available energy’.

Aye it is, sorry about that. My memory only clicked to one definition, but I see there are multiple ways to enunciate the damn law.


But, next time, quote from someplace serious!
I mean, a site that claims:

The theory of evolution, being contradictory to this well-established law [second law of thermodynamic], is erroneous

Has got to be trolling and asking for it!
Again, the second law of thermodynamics:

The second law is a postulate of thermodynamics, but it can be understood and proven using the underlying quantum statistical mechanics. It is an expression of the fact that over time, differences in temperature, pressure, and chemical potential decrease in an isolated physical system, leading eventually to a state of thermodynamic equilibrium.

Bolding added by me to bring out the main part of the fallacy of the above argument against evolution. Do you think the Earth is an isolated system? hint: Sun.

Maybe the Universe's entropy was at this state of so close to zero you could smell it, but drifting very very slowly away from that zero.

Maybe entropy stretches back into infinity? How is that an answer?

No, I must have not explained it correctly.
Entropy stretches back to zero, as time goes to minus infinity.

According to our naturalistic laws, use of any energy requires a cause.
I see no cause. Or if there is a cause, its chain of causes is infinite with no first efficient cause.

Theists favorite question: why?
Why does it require a cause?
Every system tends naturally to a state of maximum entropy. No cause necessary.

That defies naturalistic explanation--we cannot explain infinity, so we can never use infinity as a conclusion. Infinity is not a natural concept--it has not been observed, and it goes against observed natural laws.

Infinity is not a natural concept? How so?
If you don't like infinity, then truncate it. I guess you don't like infinitesimal either... as in: entropy was infinitesimally close to zero.

Infinity is the explanation provided when scientists hit the limits of observation. That's not to say it's impossible, but such an argument would no longer appeal to anything 'natural', would it?

Why not?
After all, Dirac's Delta distribution turned out to be very physically relevant.

As you see, a completely naturalistic explanation is possible, even if unprovable.

Back up. What was the naturalistic explanation?

The Universe has always been here, but, before the big bang, the rate of increase of entropy was very small, rendering time almost still.
I know it's far fetched and complete speculation.... but it can be less far fetched than an ethereal being in some other dimension creating this Universe.... IMHO.