RE: Colorado parents of transgender 1st-grader file complaint over restroom ban
March 4, 2013 at 9:16 pm
(March 4, 2013 at 8:26 pm)Shell B Wrote: I can't speak for everyone with a vagina, Lills. I have only ever spoken for myself here. I'm pretty sure that is clear in what I write. Repurposing things is wonderful. It doesn't change that tampons are for vaginas.
Graham crackers are for curbing masturbation?

What makes you suppose that I speak for anyone and everyone who might have a penis? If there is something wrong with the arguments I have used, I would appreciate that being your focus...

Quote:Whateverist, my argument does not depend whatsoever on the convenience of said rooms. I only stated that they are made with that in mind. They are not determined by clothing, but by genitals. Why this is still being argued is beyond me.
Because genitals are really a very small part of the human body, and public restroom social experience is governed by, well... the massive cultural and social understandings of what constitute man and woman (muscles, aggression, roles, etc). None of that concerns 'what is between your legs', and even if it did: why are transsexuals allowed to enter this room with absolutely no issue?
Further, because there are people who have genitals otherwise 'not-befitting' the room in question that still use said room... often without so much as a second glance from others in said room. The whole men go here/women go there is of cultural origin anyway, unless you can demonstrate to me that in the most primitive of conditions, we as a species segregate our bathrooming experiences like so.
I'd note, I've seen dogs of same and mixed genders take a shit/piss at about the same time, in full view of each other and humans. Cats too... somehow, I am really thinking most of this 'shame' or 'shyness at one's nude figure' stems from culture.
Quote:How is that similar? Did I define the bathrooms? I'm not appealing to definition. I'm appealing to function, which has not been shown to be illogical. Furthermore, fallacy or not, you have failed to show me how that is unsound. People are always forgetting that a fallacious argument can still be a sound argument, though they typically are not. Helps if you can spot a fallacious argument, regardless.
You did, yes... 'boy's room = penis, girl's room = vagina'... a statement you DID make, which IS a definitive statement for boy's room and girl's room.... one which has been repeatedly shown to be unsound (transsexuals, intersex individuals, drag queens, gay men not wanting to get beaten to a pulp).
Unless you'd like to retract that statement, or edit it under the evidence stacked against it's truth (say, with 'penis is part of the consideration as to who goes to which room' <--- a much more reasonable alternative to your blanket)... this conversation isn't going to go any further than that of theists asserting an unevidenced claim until people just start to ignore it.

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Where the dear and the strangers can play
Where sometimes is heard a discouraging word
But the skies are not stormy all day