RE: The origin of morality
April 5, 2013 at 3:26 am
(This post was last modified: April 5, 2013 at 3:46 am by A_Nony_Mouse.)
(April 4, 2013 at 4:15 am)Aractus Wrote:(April 2, 2013 at 7:35 pm)A_Nony_Mouse Wrote: No human society condones gratuitous murder of and theft from members of that society.You obviously know nothing about communism or about Islamic States in the middle east. Go and educate yourself, and then come back and try again.
No wonder everyone else ignores you. As a newbie I made the mistake and replying and encouraging you.
(April 4, 2013 at 8:27 am)fr0d0 Wrote:(April 4, 2013 at 3:23 am)A_Nony_Mouse Wrote: In Islam forgiveness means something to the person being forgiven. In Christianity it means nothing at all.
How so?
@ Joel - sorry bud that wasn't aimed at you
In Islam, if the wronged party forgives the "crime" then the state does not punish.
In Christianity there is punishment regardless of the forgiveness of the wronged party.
Obviously forgiveness is a personal exercise for the wronged party having nothing to do with anyone's behavior.
And if you are seriously deficient in the subject, Christian countries where forgiveness has no bearing upon behavior are about the only ones who invented crimes against the state where forgiveness changes nothing in the state punishing crimes against it.
(April 4, 2013 at 5:52 pm)ChadWooters Wrote:(April 4, 2013 at 8:27 am)fr0d0 Wrote: How so?I don't agree with the 'nothing' part, but there is a difference between forgiveness and restitution.
Today the US is experimenting with victim impact statements before sentencing. I have heard many cases where the victims family in a murder case declaring they forgive the perp results in a sentence of time served, i.e. immediate release. Obviously forgiveness is of no value to the perp outside of these very recent experiments. Outside of these recent experiments there has been no impact at all on the punishment. The idea of crimes against the state, murder is against the state, is an invention of Christian nations.
Most all ancient legal codes only put a formal price as compensation for a crime. They were more like our idea of insurance than criminal law. Most all murders had only a financial penalty.
This is not to preclude vendetta in place of compensation and that it might be in the interests of the state to prevent vendettas with crimes against the state. However vendetta is not forgiveness either.
