RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism
May 9, 2013 at 1:33 pm
(This post was last modified: May 9, 2013 at 1:34 pm by xdrgnh.)
(May 9, 2013 at 1:29 pm)Ryantology Wrote:(May 9, 2013 at 12:19 pm)xdrgnh Wrote: How G-d or even the Theist G-d have intelligence if intelligence is something that is characteristic of living organism which are carbon based and are made out of space time and matter where G-d is neither of those. G-d has no intelligence. A Deistic view of G-d and creation would not even require a designer of the universe just a creator. The universe could of been made without a plan and done in a random way. But the existence of the universe would still need a first cause who is not a material being because material cannot create other material from nothing.
That didn't address my point. Why give the name 'god' to a random and natural process, whether or not it is material in origin? It seems like an unnecessary and ornamental title to something we have absolutely no capacity to understand. much less describe, right now, and to what end? Calling it 'god' does not help reveal this mystery. All it does is legitimize the injection of religious phraseology into this discussion without justification.
Because if it's not material or dependent upon space time and matter then it must not be natural. Natural by it's very definition is the universe which is composed of only space time and matter. I've shown logically to account for it's existence something that is not of space time and matter must be the cause of it's existence. This cause we call G-d and G-d is not natural and if it's not natural it's super natural.