RE: Christians - Aware you worship a virgin?
December 13, 2009 at 5:45 am
(This post was last modified: December 13, 2009 at 6:11 am by Violet.)
(December 12, 2009 at 12:35 pm)tackattack Wrote: OK so the burden was on me if I wanted to prove Jesus existed. I'll presume you see little tangible truth in scripture. Let's see if it's worth the effort and let me ask this. How many different blurry photos of "Bigfoot" would it take for you to accept the possibility that he's real? From what I gather it would never be enough unless you could put him on a slab and cut him open yourself. True statement?For some people? Perhaps.
Lets go with several clear pictures/videos of "Bigfoot" from multiple sources, a detailed scientific observation of "Bigfoot" (supported by multiple forms of evidence), and perhaps an explanation of just what "Bigfoot" is?
I'd be quite inclined to give "Bigfoot" some serious thought if those criteria were met. I don't need to cut "Bigfoot" open to believe it exists... i simply need some reasons to believe it exists. As is: I have none. Hence: I do not believe it exists.
Am I open to considering its existence? Only if I see enough reason to (see 'evidence'). While a few blurry pictures may be enough for some people to accept as proof... my requirements are considerably more difficult to meet.
(December 12, 2009 at 3:15 pm)chatpilot Wrote: Equating the existence Jesus with big foot does not even make sense. If bigfoot did exist at least we could continue to search for physical evidence of his existence. Unlike Jesus, outside of the scriptures he is virtually non-existent. Not only that, we can't search for any traces of him ever having been on this earth since conveniently he rose from the dead and ascended back to heaven. No body, no bones, no dna, nada, zip, zilcho. The only proof we have that he did exist is the N.T. and we all know that that does not count as evidence.
Sure it does... poor quality evidence... but evidence nonetheless A bit like the 'evidence' that a murderer did not commit the crime because he was at a nearby Starbucks without the murder weapon 10 minutes after the murder was performed.
If she (Jesus) did exist... then she simply wasn't influential or important enough to matter to historians of the day.
(December 10, 2009 at 7:51 pm)tackattack Wrote: That would not be our (mine and my congregations) Christian version.
Actually, Matthew 19:10-12 (New International Version)
10The disciples said to him, "If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry." 11Jesus replied, "Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. 12For some are eunuchs because they were born that way; others were made that way by men; and others have renounced marriage[a]because of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it."
In some translations of ancient texts, individuals identified as eunuchs sometimes historically included men who were impotent with women, as well as those who were celibate. Or he could have been born without member due to a gene abnormailty from having the incorrect pairing of XY chromosones.
The Bible doesn't really talk about his years from 12 to 30. Mybe the Church had an agenda for censoring that? He didn't have to be a Virgin, just that he's celibate after his "missing years".
It doesn't really matter if he was a cross-dresser, or celibabte or impotent to me.
Your claim that sex is the "best" part of life is debateable, but I understand your perspective since you don't believe in a spiritual side to humanity. I personally feel my kids are the best part of my life. But good sex is definately in my top 5.
As far as emaculate conception, I have my doubts about that as well. It wouldn't really matter if he was male or female to me and the "church" rewrote Jesus to a man like they did God to a he. I believe that a part of God is in everyone of us. Something that cohesively turns a mass of electrons andatoms into a reasoning, feeling and self-aware individual. What if Mary lied and she did it with the postman? Wel Jesus would still be a son of God he just had enough cahones to state it out loud. I'm pretty tired so I'm going to finish my documentary and hit the hay and ponder on this some more. I've tried not to dance around the points as much as possible.
Anyone can interpret Jesus in any way they want... and still be no more right or wrong
Why can she be interpreted in contradictory ways without someone being wrong? Because Jesus is a fictional character in a fictional universe created within a work of fiction by anonymous authors who lived about 1500 years before modern science.
I also think that Jesus was on drugs. Hence all of those 'divine' experiences
Please give me a home where cloud buffalo roam
Where the dear and the strangers can play
Where sometimes is heard a discouraging word
But the skies are not stormy all day