(December 13, 2009 at 7:43 am)tackattack Wrote: I feel I have an "experience" that is unconveyable. The sum of which is as follows: I have some books, some tests I've ran against God, some peronal logical conclusions about my perception of the world I live in, unexplainable phenomenon, etc all adding up to my "experience". I don't think that's belief in belief, I think that's Belief in my perception of the world as it affects me. It studiable, peer reviewable and follows logical progression in my mind.Nothing of what you mention on the "input side" is alien to me (including unexplainable phenomena). But there is no straight argument to the "output side" (i.e. god) of the equation you make. The will to arrive at that conclusion is what shines through as belief in belief. Before you can ever hope to begin to make a distinction between hope and truth, you must be willing to question the evidential basis for such hope and differentiate between little evidence for big claims and ample evidence for little claims. It will be your truth that you have to act upon for the rest of your life and with your background it is to be expected that long held convictions will be shaken when assessed with unbiased questioning. A forum like this is a good place to do it.
(December 13, 2009 at 7:43 am)tackattack Wrote: If all I can hand you is some "blurry photos" of God and tell you the story of how I saw him "running through the woods humping an elk" (I really liked using the bigfoot metaphor ) you're still not going to believe it because you can't justify my credibility because of our differences in perception or "cut open the carcass yourself". I'm content to just agree that you see things you way do and I mine. I'm not really here to prove God to anyone or sway anyone aware from atheism (not that I have that anywhere close to that amount of brain power) . I'm just trying to understand atheism as a perspective and some aspects of science I don't fully comprehend from some really intellegent and thoughtfull people (nice to but that's not a requirement).I see you are not the proselytizing kind. You come here with questions. And we (speaking for the atheists here that have reacted) attack them, fiercely I might add. Indeed science is not the only answer on life, there's moral, there's art and there's reverence to life and the universe. Just don't think atheists are without this.
"I'm like a rabbit suddenly trapped, in the blinding headlights of vacuous crap" - Tim Minchin in "Storm"
Christianity is perfect bullshit, christians are not - Purple Rabbit, honouring CS Lewis
Faith is illogical - fr0d0
Christianity is perfect bullshit, christians are not - Purple Rabbit, honouring CS Lewis
Faith is illogical - fr0d0