Universe from Nothing?

[Esquilax]

I think the most compelling aspect of the fine-tuning argument is not so much that we see stuff which theists maintain is deliberate (teleology)
...but that we can tell the difference between the deliberate and the accidental.

Ah, I'm going to have fun with this.

Do you know how we ascertain the difference between designed and undesigned things, Lion? It's comparison, not complexity, not intuition, comparison. We contrast the designed against the undesigned.

So if we draw out your fine tuning argument to its logical conclusion, we can see how it falls apart; in accordance with this argument, then everything is designed. There's no point of contrast to be had; when you say you can tell the difference between deliberate things and accidental things, what you're saying, if you believe in fine tuning, is that you're picking out some designed things from a world that is made of nothing else, and calling them accidental, while assigning a label of designed things to everything else, based on whether or not humans have tampered with them. It's entirely arbitrary.