RE: 'God' is starting to make less sense to me. (rant)
June 17, 2015 at 3:18 am
(This post was last modified: June 17, 2015 at 3:24 am by robvalue.)
You are spot on, Ian. I started a whole thread here just asking for a coherent definition of God. I got diddly squat. It's just a load of garbled nonsense, usually self contradictory. And crucially, the believer couldn't identify this "God" in a lineup. How could they pick it out from a load of very powerful seeming aliens? What exactly makes something a god? Over 20,000 hit points? All we hear is how powerful they are, yet how impossible they are to detect with science. Yet somehow they can just talk through these science barriers directly to God...
They want their master to be infinitely powerful, but then cover their ears when you simply point out the consequences, such as God having no free will. They cannot defend it logically, so they just throw a tantrum.
This is my personal opinion about the overwhelming most likely case:
"God" is indeed a personal God. A very personal God. It exists only in the imagination of each believer. It is the only way that can explain:
1) How the believer knows so much about god, its innermost thoughts, desires and history, without being able to demonstrate it even exists.
2) That God knows everything believer knows! But never anything more than that. Try asking a believer to "get information" from God.
3) This "one true God" happens to agree with the believer about everything (for most people at least). It likes all the things they like, and condemns all the things they condemn. However, each person disagrees with each other person on at least some aspects if not entirely. So clearly this is not one God, at best it is a god for each person. Or more reasonably, it is just themselves.
4) The believer knows the "correct" way to interpret the holy book in order to reach exactly the conclusions they want. It's just not the same "correct" way as anyone else.
They want their master to be infinitely powerful, but then cover their ears when you simply point out the consequences, such as God having no free will. They cannot defend it logically, so they just throw a tantrum.
This is my personal opinion about the overwhelming most likely case:
"God" is indeed a personal God. A very personal God. It exists only in the imagination of each believer. It is the only way that can explain:
1) How the believer knows so much about god, its innermost thoughts, desires and history, without being able to demonstrate it even exists.
2) That God knows everything believer knows! But never anything more than that. Try asking a believer to "get information" from God.
3) This "one true God" happens to agree with the believer about everything (for most people at least). It likes all the things they like, and condemns all the things they condemn. However, each person disagrees with each other person on at least some aspects if not entirely. So clearly this is not one God, at best it is a god for each person. Or more reasonably, it is just themselves.
4) The believer knows the "correct" way to interpret the holy book in order to reach exactly the conclusions they want. It's just not the same "correct" way as anyone else.
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