RE: The idea of God always existing
March 10, 2012 at 1:13 pm
(This post was last modified: March 10, 2012 at 1:21 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(March 10, 2012 at 10:46 am)black36 Wrote: However if God has always existed then you are arguing at a point in infinite God simply decided he was finally bored enough to create reality. The beginning of existence period apparently has always been here because God has always been here. The problem with making this argument is it actually makes the idea of matter always existing seem even more valid. If God always existed without beginning, always had his qualities inherent to his nature, etc then why is he the only thing that could do that?"
A passing appraisal of the trouble with the argument in and of itself. Of course the trouble with this argument as it applies to the world outside of the argument, is that it is completely and woefully lacking any evidence. What can be imagined, what can be argued, and what is are not always the same thing. Similarly, cause and god are not synonymous, except insomuch as some would argue that they are, without being able to contain themselves to that definition after having tried to weasel it in.
In your wording of the argument you have both special pleading, and unjustified assumptions. As you've mentioned, special pleading alone is bad enough, but compounding that with assumptions such as this makes it even more untenable.
IOW, "if" there was a beginning, "if" this phrase has any actual merit, it is not for the reason that follows the word "apparently", because there is nothing "apparent" about that assumption.
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