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Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism
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RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism
A) The central flaw with the First Cause Argument is now, was, and ever shall be, the simple question: Who created God? The argument that all things must be created requires infinite regression. Stopping when you get to God in the regression is a violation of the argument.

I've said it before, and will say it again: the concept of God provides no answers, it simply denies that there are any questions.

B) The most fundamental difference between a believer and an unbeliever is the ability to say "I don't know." The honest man says "I don't know;" the other says, "I know: God." You may not know how the newspaper got on your doorstep, but that doesn't mean God put it there. It's just ignorance of the facts. There is no shame in simple ignorance, but there is in willful ignorance (and in assuming everyone else shares this ignorance). Some things are at present, and perhaps eternally, unknowable. But it's certain that if you assume there's no answer, i.e., that God is responsible, you'll never learn or accomplish anything. In the 19th century people commonly died of sepsis. Why? Either because God wanted it that way, or because doctors didn't wash their hands before surgery. Ask Ignaz Semmelweis which turned out to be the right answer.

C) As for your final statement, I reply: If you can't refute Zeus, why should you call yourself a Jew?
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RE: Refute a first cause which most people would call G-d AKA Deism - by cneron - May 9, 2013 at 1:42 am

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