(March 24, 2016 at 4:56 pm)Godschild Wrote:(March 24, 2016 at 6:45 am)Won2blv Wrote: I would never join a religion like baptist. If I did believe in the god of the bible I know he would not approve of people adopting pagan religious customs into their religion. I know that he wouldn't support his people getting involved in political affairs of mankind. I know that Jesus is not god, but his son. I am still proud of JW's in a lot of areas, even if no one on this forum gives them any credit.
I never asked you to join the Baptist or any other denomination, I said you might look into them. Jesus is God and the Bible proves it, Jesus is the creator only God can create. Being involved in political affairs is to take a stand in a free society to say what one believes and what they believe is best for the country. Be cause Christians did not take a stand against abortion years ago we now have mass murder in this county, do you believe that's okay?
The Baptist nor any other protestant denomination rewrote the Bible to suit their preconceived ideas like JW's have, we've accepted God's word for the truth and try to live our lives by it as given by God.
Won2blv Wrote:JW's called out religions as a snare over a 100 years ago before it was cool
This in no way makes the JW's right in their beliefs, especially considering they had to change the Bible to criticize others.
Won2blv Wrote:JW's have been persecuted and killed by Nazis and other political parties for their strict neutrality stance
Now your bragging, shame one such a supposed humble people, you think the JW's have anything on the Jews when it comes to Nazis persecution. Christians are killed all over the world for their beliefs not their non political stance, seems to me these Christians have given their lives for something worthwhile.
Won2blv Wrote:JW's stay neutral in all political affairs, which means that they aren't trying to push their religious policies into your life through legislation
Christians are trying to help keep this country in a morale attitude, like not murdering the unborn, but then I guess you think that's okay. I know many unbelievers who believe the death penalty is an appropriate punishment for certain crimes, just as I as a Christian does.
Won2blv Wrote:Of course they aren't perfect and there is the bullshit. But I am not trying to get out of my indoctrination by just having people tell me that all religion is bullshit so you're an idiot if you believe one word of the bible. Even the atheist bible, the skeptics annotated bible, has a section for "good stuff." So my op is simply on the fact that the statues feet simply describes a political world that we live in. I find it interesting that a guy 2500 years ago predicted a government that was ruled by the common people.
No denomination is 100% correct, though I know a few who claim to be, arrogance at it's highest. I certainly do not believe in all the Baptist doctrine, such as once saved always saved, that would go against the absolute free will we believe in and it also goes against what the scriptures teach. The real idiots are the one's who do not believe the word of God, they will receive no salvation, is that what you want, just asking not trying to judge? No guy predicted it, God told us what the future holds, it's for our benefit not His. You should learn what truths the Bible holds, you might just get a pleasant surprise.
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So can you give me the specific areas where JW's completely altered the bible to suit their beliefs? Because from the research I've done, the main criticism is us generous uses of God's name. Other than that, the main detractors are biased religious detractors. The NWT is an overall solid translation. The verses taken out were spurious to begin with. Like the account of the prostitute that was about to be stoned and Jesus said, Let he without sin cast the first stone.
Jesus is not god. You can read the bible in a way that suits your purpose but if you tally up every scripture that you could even barely infer that Jesus is referring to himself as god compared to every scripture that clearly differentiates them, it would be minimum 10-1. And those few scriptures where it seems like Jesus is referring to himself as god, like he who has seen me has seen the father, are a lot easier to understand for there more accurate meaning. In that instance, Jesus is clearly just saying that he is the perfect representation of God's qualities. But like I said, there are 10 scriptures for every one of those. Like Jesus saying, "Don't say I am good. No one is good except the father in heaven" or "no one knows the day or the hour. Not even the son of man knows. Only the father in heaven knows" or when Jesus is baptized and a voice out of heaven says, "this is my son, the approved, listen to him" I am not quoting those word for word but I don't care what translation you choose, the meaning is easy to discern if you don't insist on your preconceived personal bias.
Yeah, I am bragging about JW's being persecuted by the Nazis. I even have a bumper sticker of it
Abortion is legal because the constitution allows a system of checks and balances and 3 separate branches of government. The judicial branch ruled that abortion is legal. If you are of the ilk that the constitution is god given, then this is a major flaw in your argument. If you believe Jesus is going to have a second coming (which I assume you do) then why would humans waste time trying to fix something that can't be fixed? Why not rather focus on Jesus commandment before he ascended to heaven and go make disciples? Thats what the apostles did in Acts. They didn't try to get laws changed or run for office. They went from door to door and city to city making disciples. Kind of like what JW's do... oops, I'm bragging again right?
And to your point about the death penalty... I don't even know what that has to do with anything? I have never believed in the death penalty and that has been strongly influenced by my christian beliefs growing up. If you are a christian that believes Jesus will come back and set up a heavenly kingdom, wouldn't you think Jesus would find it almost insulting that you tried to fix the broken system on earth? What words of Jesus would you even use to justify getting involved in political affairs?
