God's Love

[Johanabrahams]

It's quite obvious that most people wouldn't consider, for instance, the old testament God to be loving.

However, that doesn't mean that such a God doesn't exist, isn't powerful, or isn't good.

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You "love" yourself?  Is God Loving?  Seems to me it is you selfishly loving yourself?

God is within us all so when I love myself that is God loving me.

You think the "universe" can be "happy"?  Seems to me it is just existing.  On our behalf?

God is within the universe so the universe being happy is just part of God being happy.

God is everywhere. Would you not agree?

This seems to me like a "selfish" God?

Only in the sense that God wants what God wants. But that is just a tautology.

If your "god" is selfishly loving himself then of course you find the motivation to selfishly love yourself too.

There's a difference between selfishness and anti-selflessness. All I mean by selfishness is fulfilling one's desires. Which is, like I said, kind of tautological because X desires what X desires.

 Finding an "Unselfish God" now is your quest.    Who Loves you more than Himself.

How is that coherent when God loving me would be God loving himself? Don't you agree that God is everywhere and within us all?

 

Finding His existence in Loving you to the Utmost.  And you will find the same Love towards others.  And The Real Godly Existence in Love.   Where you become a Servant together with the Greatest Servant.  And Ultimately find the Highest Purpose and Happiness in Life.

If God wants that then, yes. Wouldn't you agree that if God doesn't want that then no?

We find God's existence in Faith.  Faith creates it for us.   Just as God created the whole of the Universe just by speaking and believing in His Words because He is the Creator God.  And now as His Children we obviously learn to be the same.  Creating too.  In Faith. 

I believe in God but I recognize that God's being everywhere and in everything means that God loving us is ultimately an act of self love on his part. That doesn't make him 'selfish' in any kind ofd bad way. Why? Because it's literally impossible for God to be bad. Why? Because goodness is defined by whatever God wants.

What I don't understand is why you seem to treat us and God as separate when God is within us all and nothing is beyond his reach or power.

You "love" yourself?  Is God Loving?  Seems to me it is you selfishly loving yourself?

God is within us all so when I love myself that is God loving me.

When you "love yourself you are doing just that".  Nothing more and nothing less.  

You think the "universe" can be "happy"?  Seems to me it is just existing.  On our behalf?

God is within the universe so the universe being happy is just part of God being happy.

God is everywhere. Would you not agree?

Sure, God is everywhere.  But He is also a Person.   To be met.

This seems to me like a "selfish" God?

Only in the sense that God wants what God wants. But that is just a tautology.

God wants us for Love.   To enjoy the Fulfillment of the Best there is.  Family bonds in Love.  Starting of as our Father.  

If your "god" is selfishly loving himself then of course you find the motivation to selfishly love yourself too.

There's a difference between selfishness and anti-selflessness. All I mean by selfishness is fulfilling one's desires. Which is, like I said, kind of tautological because X desires what X desires.

I would rather say it like this:  God gives me the Understanding of where the Most Fulfilling and Happy Life is too be found.  With Him.   And I choose to accept it.  

 Finding an "Unselfish God" now is your quest.    Who Loves you more than Himself.

How is that coherent when God loving me would be God loving himself? Don't you agree that God is everywhere and within us all?

God is not really into us understanding Him.  But Feeling Him.   And doing something for Us that we are in need of.  Thus He died and gave us a Birth of Himself to be His Son, Jesus.   In this it becomes practical Reality and taken from the realm of human intellect into His Realm of Spiritual.   And in doing this me and you become Brothers.   In His Family.  This is the heart of it all.
 

Finding His existence in Loving you to the Utmost.  And you will find the same Love towards others.  And The Real Godly Existence in Love.   Where you become a Servant together with the Greatest Servant.  And Ultimately find the Highest Purpose and Happiness in Life.

If God wants that then, yes. Wouldn't you agree that if God doesn't want that then no?

I am not really much into "understanding" God and debating about Him.   I am into Living His Life.  Meaning at this point in time it is about me and you being together.  If God is your Father and mine that makes us Brothers.  And to built on this.  Not arguing much about it but growing into Loving each other more.  As this Ability of God to create for us a Family Existence in Love should be ventured into.  

We find God's existence in Faith.  Faith creates it for us.   Just as God created the whole of the Universe just by speaking and believing in His Words because He is the Creator God.  And now as His Children we obviously learn to be the same.  Creating too.  In Faith. 

I believe in God but I recognize that God's being everywhere and in everything means that God loving us is ultimately an act of self love on his part. That doesn't make him 'selfish' in any kind ofd bad way. Why? Because it's literally impossible for God to be bad. Why? Because goodness is defined by whatever God wants.

What I don't understand is why you seem to treat us and God as separate when God is within us all and nothing is beyond his reach or power.

To Love Someone is always to Love Someone "separate" from you yourself.  God being in us just mean that this is the meeting place with us and Him.   And this only happens after we "invited" God into us.   He invades nobodies privacy by force.

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If they make that mistake to "argue". 

2 Tim. 2
  Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them in the sight of [1]the Lord, that they strive not about words, to no profit, to the subverting of them that hear.

But we are actually one Family with One Father


1 Cor. 3
  And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal,even  as unto babes in Christ.
   I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
   For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
   For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?
   Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?
   I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
   So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.

So some are "Older" and some are "younger".   And the "Older" should assist the "younger" to grow up.   But because of human mentality still very much present this do tend to get "difficult" sometimes.  And thus the "Baby Life" emerged.  Where they are all in different groups.  But with the Same Father.  And these groups are admonished to stop functioning separately.   But as it goes for "Kids".  They are mostly very stubborn. 

As for Me I am happy to have my Brother, @UtilitarianDeist here.   Of course we are of different Spiritual age and have to work that one out now.

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So you actually accepted that you are working to have "nothing" in the end.  Good. 

I am on the other hand not working to have "nothing" but to be "rich". 

Mat. 6
 19  ¶Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: 

  20  But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: 
  21  For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also. 
  22  The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. 
  23  But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!

So when asked why you believe the words to be true from a book, you quote more words from a book.

How about you answer the question ?

You struggle with something else.   Your pride wanting to force an answer that you want.  Don't stubbornly persist on this selfish way of yours.  

I gave you my answer.  No need to argue about it.   You are getting saved now by your Mother and your Father in accepting your Birth as our Son, Jesus. 

This you saw clearly.  But in your pride and stubbornness you are running in circles.  While the ball is with you.  To accept or reject.  So do that.  There is nothing to understand.  And there is nothing to explain more.  It is about your choice now.

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2 Tim. 2
  Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them in the sight of [1]the Lord, that they strive not about words, to no profit, to the subverting of them that hear.

But we are actually one Family with One Father


1 Cor. 3
  And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal,even  as unto babes in Christ.
   I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
   For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
   For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?
   Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?
   I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
   So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.

So some are "Older" and some are "younger".   And the "Older" should assist the "younger" to grow up.   But because of human mentality still very much present this do tend to get "difficult" sometimes.  And thus the "Baby Life" emerged.  Where they are all in different groups.  But with the Same Father.  And these groups are admonished to stop functioning separately.   But as it goes for "Kids".  They are mostly very stubborn. 

As for Me I am happy to have my Brother, @UtilitarianDeist here.   Of course we are of different Spiritual age and have to work that one out now.

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So you actually accepted that you are working to have "nothing" in the end.  Good. 

I am on the other hand not working to have "nothing" but to be "rich". 

Mat. 6
 19  ¶Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: 

  20  But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: 
  21  For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also. 
  22  The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. 
  23  But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!

Oh look. He's doing his Babble quotes. 
How terribly original. Isn't he special. 
The FIRST rule of debate is "know your audience". 
No one here accepts the authority of your Babble scripture. 
You're spitting in the wind. 
If that's all you got, you may as well give up now. 
Before you make any other assertions about the gods, ... how about you demonstrate they exist, and then demonstrate yours is real. 
Take your time.

BTW, Timothy said "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness"
... too bad there was no canon when they made that one up ... which means that he could have been referring to anything at all.

I have a Babble quote for you :
"For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God--
not by works, so that no one can boast" - Ephesians 2:8-9.

We don't have the "gift". It wasn't given to us.
Ask your idiot gods why they would do that.

"Laying up riches" is salvation by works. It's exactly what Paul said it was NOT, (but James said it was).
Too bad it's all a pile of nonsense.

The Jews of Jesus' time where Pharisees and Sadducees. Jesus ridiculed the Pharasees.
They were the ONLY sect in Judaism which believed in immortality. In general, the Jews did not buy in to immortality.
The Saducees, (the ruling class), who were in charge, and ran the temple in Jesus' day, (if indeed there even was a Jesus), did NOT believe in immortality.
In classical Hebrew thought, ALL the dead (shades) went to Sheol. Sheol was not where Yahweh and the Heavenly Host lived.
Christianity corrupted Hebrew thought, and changed Hebrew/Biblical ideas of immortality.  
Even Paul thought it was only for the saved. "Put on immortality" etc. It's all a pile of complete rubbish.

Jesus described you :
"The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: 'God, I thank you that I am not like other people--robbers, evildoers, adulterers--or even like this tax collector.
I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.
But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, 'God, have mercy on me, a sinner.'
I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted."

You clearly think you are better then the rest.

Oh look. He's doing his Babble quotes. 
How terribly original. Isn't he special. 
The FIRST rule of debate is "know your audience". 
No one here accepts the authority of your Babble scripture. 
You're spitting in the wind. 

You missed my reason because you supplied your own.  You should rather have asked.    As I never gave the "quotes" as authentication for my words.  I just gave it so that you will know it does not come from me.  I am not the clever one that thought them out.  It is just being humble.   

So you totally missed my "humbleness". 

Next time.   Don't think you know everything.  Rather ask first.  It will save your face. 

Proverbs 18
 13 He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.

If that's all you got, you may as well give up now. 

Wrong again.   You can just "as well leave now".

Before you make any other assertions about the gods, ... how about you demonstrate they exist, and then demonstrate yours is real. 
Take your time.

No need to do that to you.  You are "leaving". 

BTW, Timothy said "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness"
... too bad there was no canon when they made that one up ... which means that he could have been referring to anything at all.

You are here to "argue".   i am not that one.   I am not into the mind games of the humans.  Some more reason for you to do your "leaving" now.  

I have a Babble quote for you :
"For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God--
not by works, so that no one can boast" - Ephesians 2:8-9.

You missed again.   You have a "Babble quote".  Sure.  But it is not for me.  

We don't have the "gift". It wasn't given to us.
Ask your idiot gods why they would do that.

It was given to all.  You too.  You just rejected it.  Up to now.  But you can always change you know.  

"Laying up riches" is salvation by works. It's exactly what Paul said it was NOT, (but James said it was).
Too bad it's all a pile of nonsense.

You know exactly?   

But "laying up riches" is actually getting rich out of money.  

The Jews of Jesus' time where Pharisees and Sadducees. Jesus ridiculed the Pharasees.
They were the ONLY sect in Judaism which believed in immortality. In general, the Jews did not buy in to immortality.
The Saducees, (the ruling class), who were in charge, and ran the temple in Jesus' day, (if indeed there even was a Jesus), did NOT believe in immortality.
In classical Hebrew thought, ALL the dead (shades) went to Sheol. Sheol was not where Yahweh and the Heavenly Host lived.
Christianity corrupted Hebrew thought, and changed Hebrew/Biblical ideas of immortality.  
Even Paul thought it was only for the saved. "Put on immortality" etc. It's all a pile of complete rubbish.

We don't argue about the Word.  Only important thing here is that they rejected Jesus.  Because He brought in the Greater Relationship of being now a Son of God.  The Jews could not accept that.  But some do.  And you have to make your decision to.  To be Jesus now.  Born from your Father and Mother.  Perfectly God as He is.  Just a Baby having to grow up.  

Jesus described you :
"The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: 'God, I thank you that I am not like other people--robbers, evildoers, adulterers--or even like this tax collector.
I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.
But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, 'God, have mercy on me, a sinner.'
I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted."

This falls in the same category as the above.  It is time to be saved now.  From yourself.  To be Gods Son, Jesus.  

You clearly think you are better then the rest.

You clearly have no evidence and just revealing your sinful humanity again.  Thinking you can judge and acting it.   But without evidence this is just your opinion.  Making you a "hypocrite". 

Mat. 7
 [/size]  Judge not, that ye be not judged. 

  2  For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. 
  3  And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? 
  4  Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? 
  5  Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.

And what is more.   I can clearly see that you are the one thinking "you are better than the rest".  The evidence is that you are even using "bible verses" to "prove me wrong".  And you hope others will see and silently start "honoring/admiring" you for how "good" you are.

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Fuck off and die, it'll be the first good act in  your worthless life.

Oops! 

Thanks for more evidence on Robertson.  To help others understand.  

This will make you "sick to death".   As evil spirits do that to the person that house them.   I know.  And @Abaddon_ire nicely proved that to you.  And you still foolishly ventured onto that road?

All in Robertson with that spirit are now "sick to death".  You are just reaping the consequences of your evil spirit.  That is how God created life.  You never noticed? 

As for me?  I discipline you in Love and Wisdom. 

You will go on into hiding now.  With Adam and Eve behind the bushes.   Not being able to face me again.  You know.  Putting me on "ignore" or whatever.  

But of course you can stand up and be a "man" and accept that you are in the wrong and start talking in a different spirit.  Maybe you can even accept God's Spirit of Love to all.   Even your enemies.  This will be your Perfect Salvation from yourself.