God's Love

[Johanabrahams]

If God is in all of us and we love ourselves then that's God loving us.

If God is indistinguisible from the mentality of the total universe then the universe's happiness is identical to God's happiness.

If God's/the universe's happiness is more important than ours, but God is also within us, then God loving us is compatible with the fact that he loves himself far more/the rest of the universe is more important than us.

If God is in all of us and we love ourselves then that's God loving us.

You "love" yourself?  Is God Loving?  Seems to me it is you selfishly loving yourself?

If God is indistinguisible from the mentality of the total universe then the universe's happiness is identical to God's happiness.

You think the "universe" can be "happy"?  Seems to me it is just existing.  On our behalf?

If God's/the universe's happiness is more important than ours,but God is also within us, then God loving us is compatible with the fact that he loves himself far more/the rest of the universe is more important than us.

This seems to me like a "selfish" God?

If your "god" is selfishly loving himself then of course you find the motivation to selfishly love yourself too. Finding an "Unselfish God" now is your quest. Who Loves you more than Himself. Finding His existence in Loving you to the Utmost. And you will find the same Love towards others. And The Real Godly Existence in Love. Where you become a Servant together with the Greatest Servant. And Ultimately find the Highest Purpose and Happiness in Life.

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Not really.  But your eyes have to open first.  Jesus opens the eyes of the blind.

Therein lies the problem. It's always, just believe, even if reality contradicts it. Have faith, even if logic dictates otherwise.

The issue is with those who have faith, because they're just too gosh darn gullible.

You are totally right here.  We find God's existence in Faith.  Faith creates it for us.   Just as God created the whole of the Universe just by speaking and believing in His Words because He is the Creator God.  And now as His Children we obviously learn to be the same.  Creating too.  In Faith. 

2 Cor. 5
   (For we walk by faith, not by sight


Hebrews 11

   Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
   For by it the elders obtained a good report.
   Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
   By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.
   By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
   But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
   By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.
   By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
   By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
   For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker isGod.
   Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised.
   Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.

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We came from a long line of those having succeeded through the Faith of God.  And we are growing up in Faith too.  We met God in Faith and we grow into more of God's Life as His Children in Faith.  Being Creators as the Children of God.  Creating the best there is.  The Relationship of ourselves with God and with One another.  An everlasting endeavor.  So unlike humans that built for themselves a life for 70 years and having to just give up everything again. 

So foolish.  Don't you agree? Working hard to have nothing?
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[Silver]

Faith produces that which tends to contradict reality. As fallible as faith is, it is a poor substitute for reason.

[possibletarian]

So foolish.  Don't you agree? Working hard to have nothing?
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Except that all you can produce for your claimed 'something' is words written by people and you still can't show you have anything more than nothing, very, very foolish

[UtilitarianDeist]

It's quite obvious that most people wouldn't consider, for instance, the old testament God to be loving.

However, that doesn't mean that such a God doesn't exist, isn't powerful, or isn't good.

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You "love" yourself?  Is God Loving?  Seems to me it is you selfishly loving yourself?

God is within us all so when I love myself that is God loving me.

You think the "universe" can be "happy"?  Seems to me it is just existing.  On our behalf?

God is within the universe so the universe being happy is just part of God being happy.

God is everywhere. Would you not agree?

This seems to me like a "selfish" God?

Only in the sense that God wants what God wants. But that is just a tautology.

If your "god" is selfishly loving himself then of course you find the motivation to selfishly love yourself too.

There's a difference between selfishness and anti-selflessness. All I mean by selfishness is fulfilling one's desires. Which is, like I said, kind of tautological because X desires what X desires.

 Finding an "Unselfish God" now is your quest.    Who Loves you more than Himself.

How is that coherent when God loving me would be God loving himself? Don't you agree that God is everywhere and within us all?

 

Finding His existence in Loving you to the Utmost.  And you will find the same Love towards others.  And The Real Godly Existence in Love.   Where you become a Servant together with the Greatest Servant.  And Ultimately find the Highest Purpose and Happiness in Life.

If God wants that then, yes. Wouldn't you agree that if God doesn't want that then no?

We find God's existence in Faith.  Faith creates it for us.   Just as God created the whole of the Universe just by speaking and believing in His Words because He is the Creator God.  And now as His Children we obviously learn to be the same.  Creating too.  In Faith. 

I believe in God but I recognize that God's being everywhere and in everything means that God loving us is ultimately an act of self love on his part. That doesn't make him 'selfish' in any kind ofd bad way. Why? Because it's literally impossible for God to be bad. Why? Because goodness is defined by whatever God wants.

What I don't understand is why you seem to treat us and God as separate when God is within us all and nothing is beyond his reach or power.

[Abaddon_ire]

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(Sigh) Some people never learn. 

“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”― Edmund Burke

[UtilitarianDeist]

Johanabrahams
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(Sigh) Some people never learn. 

“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”― Edmund Burke

Without God you can't even make sense of 'good'.

[Gwaithmir]

“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”― Edmund Burke

Without God you can't even make sense of 'good'.

“Some have made the love of God the foundation of morality. This too, is but a branch of our moral duties, which are generally divided in duties to God and duties to man. If we are to act merely from the love of God and a belief that is pleasing to Him, whence arises the morality of the Atheist?...Diderot, D'Lambert, D'Holbach, Condorcet, are known to have been among the most virtuous of men. Their virtues, then, must have some other foundation than the love of God.” (Thomas Jefferson)


“Morality is doing right, no matter what you are told. Religion is doing what you are told, no matter what is right.” (H.L. Mencken)

[The Grand Nudger]

“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”― Edmund Burke

Without God you can't even make sense of 'good'.

Oh look...another one.  

Turns out you're a theist and a moral subjectivist. Awesome.

[Nay_Sayer]

“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”― Edmund Burke

Without FSM you can't even make sense of 'good'.

fify

[Gwaithmir]

“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”― Edmund Burke

Without God you can't even make sense of 'good'.

I make sense of good without God on a daily basis.