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A "meta-argument" against all future arguments for God's existence ?
RE: A "meta-argument" against all future arguments for God's existence ?
(March 16, 2022 at 10:35 pm)Ferrocyanide Wrote:
(March 15, 2022 at 2:27 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: Because, assuming theism, God intended to create human beings who would actively and freely seek to know Him. This entails endowing them with brains capable of investigating reality and acquire knowledge.

You are assuming that your brain has been designed to function properly and also, the jewish god is assuming that his brain is functioning properly.
You aren’t actually giving us any reasons why this god thinks that his brain is functioning properly.
Is it because there is a sticker on his jacket where it says “Hello, I am a god”?


Quote:By contrast, there is a set of arguments asserting a difficulty in reconciling naturalism with evolution, and it doesn't take a genius to see why: one can't even pretend to investigate ultimate reality when, at the same time, they are unable to accurately justify the reliability of their senses.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolutiona...naturalism

These are arguments from philosophers and philosophers love arguing with lines such as
“then the probability of having reliable cognitive faculties is low”

however, no mathematical foundation is present in their actual arguments and no experiment has been conducted to demonstrated that what they are saying is true.
In the end, we get nowhere.

I already gave my argument as to why our brains function properly.


Quote:Going back to the foundation won't help you here: the fundamental particles were clearly fine-tuned all along to yield our universe, if that doesn't point one to a designer then it's difficult to see if anything would be enough for them. besides that, nature is not capable of anything, because it's not a personal agent.


You need to show that tuning is even possible. If tuning is possible, then someone tuned the universe in which the jewish god exists so that the jewish god would be functional.
All these arguments that theists use can be used on their god and the house he lives in.

Yes, nature does have capabilities. We call them properties. As I said
It is also easy to explain why nature is not capable of making watches and it has nothing to do with complexity.


Quote:Whenever you utter the word God or omnibenevolence, you should take the afterlife into account before tring to make any assessment. You say : why does God watch and do nothing? Clearly this is ridiculous, God created eternal damnation in hell for the worst criminals, this is not nothing, this is just you making judgements based on the extremely short (relatively to an infinite afterlife) lifespan of the criminal or the victim.


Yes, I am making a judgement. The jewish god just watched rape, torture, famines and horrors happen. If someone can easily do something and save and help someone, yet does nothing, then he is a monster.
Torturing criminals in the afterlife doesn’t erase what this jewish god has done/not done.
In fact, torturing criminals itself is a disgusting act. So, he is just making himself look worst and worst.
Of course, there is no jewish god at all. These are just stories coming from a few cultures from the middle east areas.

Can we really blame primitive humans from believing such things? They grew up in a disorderly world with no jail and no modern criminal court system. Every time there was a problem, it just seems that the answer was to respond with stoning. Life was quite hard back then.

Quote:I am not sure about your stance on morality. Under divine command theory, anything God does is moral, and anythng God forbids isn't. I think most religious people will accept divine command theory.

God allows a finite period of injustice and then redresses it by an infinitely long outcome. If he were to negate injustice altogether at all times, this would jeopardize the free will of moral agents.

That’s not a theory. That is licking the dictator’s butt.
Obviously, the people attached to the jewish flavor of religions will bend down to anything that the jewish god does.
Anything the jewish god does is moral? Is this because he has a sticker on his jacket that says “Hello, I am the god”?

Quote:If he were to negate injustice altogether at all times, this would jeopardize the free will of moral agents.
Allowing rape to occur is part of allowing moral agents to exercize their free will.

I see. So you are saying that it is very important that someone rapes someone else.
Why is that important for you?



Quote:As human beings with limited cognition, nobody really understands justice or what it entails. We might be able to build justice systems based on some widely accepted moral axioms, but that's it.

But you are here claiming you can understand justice and the morality of torturing criminals and rapists better than all knowing deity, this is ridiculous, and I think you know it.

I disagree. I understand justice and of course, there are various forms of justice.
Yes, I do understand justice better than some primitive humans from thousands of years ago.
You do know that I think the justice present in the Bible comes from primitive humans, right?

Quote:True, and neither do you. That's why we defer judgment to an all-knowing deity.

I think I know what eternity means. It means that over time, you are going to get bored out of your mind. There is a limited number of things that a human can do.
This is why I ask people who are part of the jewish flavor of religions, what are you going to do in the first 100 y in heaven?
What about the next 1000 y?
What about 10^100000?
What about 10^100000^1000000?

There are descriptions of hell in the Bible. It just has element 16 and it is a torture chamber.
But when it comes to heaven, they try to skip giving details.
This makes sense since whatever description you give, one can ask “Well, is that all?”


Quote:But, being the ungrateful moron that you are, you turn your back on him and complain about why people are getting raped.

Control your emotions.
Try to act like a gentlemen.

I am including the above lines to show that you are a jewish ass licker. You are so grateful that you consider torturing people as a great thing.
You are also offended that I am not grateful like you.
Are you willing to do anything for your god?
Klor loves his wordy rubbish  Hehe
"Change was inevitable"


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RE: A "meta-argument" against all future arguments for God's existence ? - by The Architect Of Fate - March 16, 2022 at 10:39 pm

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