Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory

[LarissaAnn]

IF the bible is set for such distant times why should it be taken seriously today if it was written for the people 2000 years ago.

well i wish some people would. politicians lie all the time but if they took the bible into account they would know that they're wrong in doing this and that they should at least try to stop. impossible? well in japan politicians have a lot more honor than they do in america. yes, japan is not christian, but at least they hold true to marals whether it be Buddhist morals or otherwise.

I said that Christians have had the bible for years but know it says "don't steal" didn't stop them

those who don't listen to scripture don't take it seriously. those who lived back when it was written did take it seriously. and no christians are pardonable for their actions, but this belief that it's not wrong if you don't get caught is very dangerous

And THAT is proof why religion does more harm than good...MILLIONS have been killed because of religion and today look at 9/11 and in a society where we now have nuclear weapons and tell me that's religious danger is not getting worse.

no, religion is a tool they use and if they don't have that they will use other tools. should we get rid of politics b/c of Hitler?

So an Atheist is damned if he has money and damned if he gives it away to charities?

no, who said that?

Dodging all my questions again I see....having a debate with Chipan is much like this clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KHMO14KuJk

[Cyberman]

Yes! That is exactly who chippy reminds me of! Well played, there! From this point on I'll be hearing Michael Howard's voice whenever I see chippy's words.

Which might not be good thing, now I actually come to think of it...

[Jackalope]

I wouldn't exactly call it a debate.

[chi pan]

you give me the impression that i did not address a question you had. can you tell me exactly which question i did not address?

[Jackalope]

you give me the impression that i did not address a question you had. can you tell me exactly which question i did not address?

No, it was more that I was implying that your arguments were poorly supported and in some cases without merit at all.

[chi pan]

No, it was more that I was implying that your arguments were poorly supported and in some cases without merit at all.

you're not the one who posted the video and you're not the one i was talking to. it seams like LarissaAnn was saying i do not address questions b/c that's what happened in the video. he asked the same question over and over and he wouldn't answer it. so if i don't answer a question then it would be appreciated if someone would tell me as i don't like to avoid questions.

[LarissaAnn]

you give me the impression that i did not address a question you had. can you tell me exactly which question i did not address?

My two big questions I posed that I was hoping you would answer, which you skipped over, were:

1. What does God have to say about rape victims today? Does he still think they should be the wives of their rapists? If not, where are your sources in writing not personal opinion that he has changed his mind? Basic point being don't you think since the bible was written for a culture 2000 years ago, as you've said, that God should give us an updated version for our modern times?

2. If making gay illegal is not intolerance, then what do you think the fitting punishment should be for homosexuality? Jail? Or the traditional Christian route in the bible with execution?

Then this question as well I was hoping to hear your answer:

On the topic of America so corrupt without biblical guidance that it sues for stupid reasons. What is more immoral or damaging to a society, non believers suing for a stupid reason or a woman in the middle east stoned to death because the quran said to stone her? Does this not prove that just because you have a holy book to teach morals in a soceity doesn't mean everyone will do so? In the 50's in America religion was much more strong than it is today but yet look how much racism, prejudice and violence existed back then.

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To be fair I'll address the question you posed about getting rid of politics just because of Hitler.
I'd say no, don't get rid of politics just because Hitler was mental case. However I do support getting rid of certain branches of politics, Nazism, Socialism, dictatorships etc. or politics fueled by hysteria and brainwashing absolutely get rid of them...and to be honest religion doesn't walk too far a path from that sort of craze that put Hitler in power in my opinion, as in following blindly and without question and turning a blind eye to atrocities it committed.

If I've skipped any others of yours, please do re-post them.

[chi pan]

What does God have to say about rape victims today? Does he still think they should be the wives of their rapists? If not, where are your sources in writing not personal opinion that he has changed his mind? Basic point being don't you think since the bible was written for a culture 2000 years ago, as you've said, that God should give us an updated version for our modern times?

yes he thinks it's wrong. the punishment is decided by the government. the bible says to obey the law of the land. this can be found in Romans 13:1-7.

If making gay illegal is not intolerance, then what do you think the fitting punishment should be for homosexuality? Jail? Or the traditional Christian route in the bible with execution?

i don't think it should be punished in today's society. forinication and often times adultery are not punished in this country and i don't see homosexuality as different. i think God will deal with it.

What is more immoral or damaging to a society, non believers suing for a stupid reason or a woman in the middle east stoned to death because the quran said to stone her?

the woman being stoned. this is b/c they have morals, but they are wrong. women should not be treated that way.

Does this not prove that just because you have a holy book to teach morals in a soceity doesn't mean everyone will do so?

that statement is true for everyone. no one can follow all those morals perfectly but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try. and at the very least we need to teach humanistic morals to everyone so they at least know some common sense though the bible is what i believe to be the best moral code ever written. the golden rule originates from it which is considered the best moral phrase ever come up with (Matthew 7:12).

I'd say no, don't get rid of politics just because Hitler was mental case. However I do support getting rid of certain branches of politics, Nazism, Socialism, dictatorships etc. or politics fueled by hysteria and brainwashing absolutely get rid of them...and to be honest religion doesn't walk too far a path from that sort of craze that put Hitler in power in my opinion, as in following blindly and without question and turning a blind eye to atrocities it committed.

agreed. i'm actually surprised you said socialism. there are a lot of left wings who want socialism for all. i'm on the right myself.

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when i said this country i meant america. sorry i forget i'm in japan lol

[Jackalope]

No, it was more that I was implying that your arguments were poorly supported and in some cases without merit at all.

you're not the one who posted the video and you're not the one i was talking to. it seams like LarissaAnn was saying i do not address questions b/c that's what happened in the video. he asked the same question over and over and he wouldn't answer it. so if i don't answer a question then it would be appreciated if someone would tell me as i don't like to avoid questions.

Your reply came immediately after mine, and you didn't quote anybody. What would expect one to assume?

Oh fuck, never mind. You aren't worth the trouble.

[LarissaAnn]

What does God have to say about rape victims today? Does he still think they should be the wives of their rapists? If not, where are your sources in writing not personal opinion that he has changed his mind? Basic point being don't you think since the bible was written for a culture 2000 years ago, as you've said, that God should give us an updated version for our modern times?

yes he thinks it's wrong. the punishment is decided by the government. the bible says to obey the law of the land. this can be found in Romans 13:1-7.

If making gay illegal is not intolerance, then what do you think the fitting punishment should be for homosexuality? Jail? Or the traditional Christian route in the bible with execution?

i don't think it should be punished in today's society. forinication and often times adultery are not punished in this country and i don't see homosexuality as different. i think God will deal with it.

What is more immoral or damaging to a society, non believers suing for a stupid reason or a woman in the middle east stoned to death because the quran said to stone her?

the woman being stoned. this is b/c they have morals, but they are wrong. women should not be treated that way.

Does this not prove that just because you have a holy book to teach morals in a soceity doesn't mean everyone will do so?

that statement is true for everyone. no one can follow all those morals perfectly but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try. and at the very least we need to teach humanistic morals to everyone so they at least know some common sense though the bible is what i believe to be the best moral code ever written. the golden rule originates from it which is considered the best moral phrase ever come up with (Matthew 7:12).

I'd say no, don't get rid of politics just because Hitler was mental case. However I do support getting rid of certain branches of politics, Nazism, Socialism, dictatorships etc. or politics fueled by hysteria and brainwashing absolutely get rid of them...and to be honest religion doesn't walk too far a path from that sort of craze that put Hitler in power in my opinion, as in following blindly and without question and turning a blind eye to atrocities it committed.

agreed. i'm actually surprised you said socialism. there are a lot of left wings who want socialism for all. i'm on the right myself.

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when i said this country i meant america. sorry i forget i'm in japan lol

Thanks for your answers.

1. Fair enough and good eye but by that concept that also means that God is okay with gay marriage so long as it takes place in the states of Connecticut, Iowa, Vermont and New Hampshire because they've passed laws making gay marriage legal in their specific states. If that's not okay, then your previous statement is invalid and does not prove that God has changed his stance on rape victims' marrying their attackers. He still has not said, "As time goes by, my laws shall adapt to fit more morally the cultures of the time."

It also means God is okay with abortion too as that is a legally protected right in the United States as well.

2. Do you agree then that using religion as a guide for morals as you previously stated is not the one and only best policy for a good society since that's exactly what they do in some areas of the middle east with brutal results. On a non-confrontational seriously consider it note, can you not at least consider the idea that Atheists can be good people and follow the good morals that one finds in bible without the bible itself being their source or influence? Being good just for the sake of being good with no expectations in return? Say for instance a car crash on a highway, a burning car with a person inside who could be saved, atheists and Christians alike pull together to save the person, are they not both good people doing a moral act?

No worries, I know you meant this country but I look at religious influences on a global as well as national scale.