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RE: 10 questions for your pastor
October 9, 2012 at 10:42 pm
(October 9, 2012 at 10:21 pm)ronedee Wrote: (October 9, 2012 at 6:30 pm)Faith No More Wrote: Perhaps that is because it is a nonsensical concept?
should we say the same about gravity?
No, gravity is proven to exist.
rondee Wrote: (October 9, 2012 at 6:34 pm)Darkstar Wrote: Mystery of god=Makes no  sense
The biggest mystery of god is how he could even possibly exist without the universe (infinitely less complex) existing first. Of course, one must suspend a certain amount of disbelief in order to properly enjoy a work of fiction.
Think of it this way: we = a box of rocks... and God is Einstein!
Doesn't become much clearer now?
Even if that were true, the 'mystery of god' is sometimes used as an answer to god's moral errors.
Numbers 15:32-36
I haven't recieved an explanation for that passage yet (I didn't ask you originally, it was in another thread). The best answer I've gotton for similar passages is that god is so much greater than us that we should just take his word for it because we are flawed in not understanding the morality of any given act.
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RE: 10 questions for your pastor
October 9, 2012 at 11:38 pm
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Why would I think of it that way Rondee, if The Word of God™ is any indicator..we'd be dealing with a cosmic idiot. Am I supposed to imagine that this god is somehow a genius in all of the areas that the faithful haven't tried to sell it on? No dice for me.
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RE: 10 questions for your pastor
October 10, 2012 at 12:07 am
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(October 9, 2012 at 10:21 pm)ronedee Wrote: Think of it this way: we = a box of rocks... and God is Einstein!
Doesn't become much clearer now?
Well you're right about one thing. "It does not become much clearer now." That is, after all, what you wrote.
What does become clearer now is you do not have a clue what you are talking about and are pulling shit out of your ass.
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RE: 10 questions for your pastor
October 10, 2012 at 12:23 am
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(October 9, 2012 at 10:49 am)ronedee Wrote: (October 9, 2012 at 2:06 am)Godschild Wrote: I did notice the word "personified" and "offspring," that is why I asked, it seems to me that this is another way to explain GOD. Some denominations believe Christ was an angel and lifted up by the Father to be His Son. As I read scriptures the Trinity has always existed, there has never been a part of eternity that the three did not exist, to say the Holy Spirit is a part of God that was birthed so to speak means that HE was not original, that He is not eternal because He has not always existed, even if it were only for a moment. I understand what you mean about trying to explain the Trinity to anyone, it's difficult at best and may be best explained as one of the mysteries of GOD. My intentions are to understand your beliefs and to poke at them as you put it is a way of showing that we disagree up to the point of the poke, nothing more.
OK... I can understand your confusion. But it is also mine! Lets face it, the Trinity will never be explained fully until we are actually there! But, because the Holy Spirit is used in a "Ghost" or "Spirit" form sense by God it suggests that it is something else: The "Holy Spirit decended upon Jesus as a Dove, when baptised by John". And, "Jesus breathed on His disciples and they received The Holy Spirit as tongues of Fire on their heads".
That is why I used the "family" metaphor. What better way to describe a completely loving unity? I, as I'm sure many others "can" be completely happy with "just" their family unit!
I found your thought about the Holy Spirit intriguing, I see how you have explained the Holy Trinity and I agree the family aspect is a good one.
(October 9, 2012 at 10:42 pm)Darkstar Wrote: Even if that were true, the 'mystery of god' is sometimes used as an answer to god's moral errors.
Numbers 15:32-36 While the Israelites were in the wilderness, a man was found gathering wood on the Sabbath day. 33 Those who found him gathering wood brought him to Moses and Aaron and the whole assembly, 34 and they kept him in custody, because it was not clear what should be done to him. 35 Then the Lord said to Moses, “The man must die. The whole assembly must stone him outside the camp.” 36 So the assembly took him outside the camp and stoned him to death, as the Lord commanded Moses
I haven't recieved an explanation for that passage yet (I didn't ask you originally, it was in another thread). The best answer I've gotton for similar passages is that god is so much greater than us that we should just take his word for it because we are flawed in not understanding the morality of any given act.
What is so difficult about those verses, God told Moses that they were not to work on the Sabbath, for if they did the penalty was death. God asserted His power and showed the Israelites that He was not giving laws arbitrarily, He was not kidding around. If God rests on the Sabbath and does no work doesn't it follow that man should not break a law God observes.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: 10 questions for your pastor
October 10, 2012 at 8:15 am
ronedee Wrote:should we say the same about gravity?
I fail to see how that is an apt comparison.
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RE: 10 questions for your pastor
October 10, 2012 at 8:56 am
Whether or not some despot "asserts his power" has nothing to do with whether or not said despots "laws" are arbitrary GC.
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RE: 10 questions for your pastor
October 10, 2012 at 11:43 am
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(October 10, 2012 at 12:23 am)Godschild Wrote: What is so difficult about those verses, God told Moses that they were not to work on the Sabbath, for if they did the penalty was death. God asserted His power and showed the Israelites that He was not giving laws arbitrarily, He was not kidding around. If God rests on the Sabbath and does no work doesn't it follow that man should not break a law God observes.
Hahaha, of course! Just like any ruthless dictator would do! Instill fear in the populace, crush their will!  
By the way, when you say 'his laws weren't arbitrary' doesn't show why they should be obeyed, other than for fear of punishment. There was no good reason for the law, other than that god felt like it.
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RE: 10 questions for your pastor
October 10, 2012 at 3:14 pm
(October 10, 2012 at 11:43 am)Darkstar Wrote: (October 10, 2012 at 12:23 am)Godschild Wrote: What is so difficult about those verses, God told Moses that they were not to work on the Sabbath, for if they did the penalty was death. God asserted His power and showed the Israelites that He was not giving laws arbitrarily, He was not kidding around. If God rests on the Sabbath and does no work doesn't it follow that man should not break a law God observes.
Hahaha, of course! Just like any ruthless dictator would do! Instill fear in the populace, crush their will!
By the way, when you say 'his laws weren't arbitrary' doesn't show why they should be obeyed, other than for fear of punishment. There was no good reason for the law, other than that god felt like it.
So you're saying you can read God's mind. 
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RE: 10 questions for your pastor
October 10, 2012 at 4:06 pm
(October 10, 2012 at 3:14 pm)Godschild Wrote: So you're saying you can read God's mind.
Wha... So I'd have to be a mind reader to know that Hitler wasn't a very nice guy, or could I reasonably infer that from his actions?
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RE: 10 questions for your pastor
October 10, 2012 at 10:40 pm
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(October 10, 2012 at 3:14 pm)Godschild Wrote: So you're saying you can read God's mind.
Isn't that kind of your schtick amigo?
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