Islam true religion?

[Darinda]

Have to admit, been a while since I had such lulz, thanks Zak.

[genkaus]

What are you talking about? that links refutes the so called errors in the Quran.

Please explain what you are talking about.

Somehow, I managed to read the whole list. Virtually every single on of the so called "refutation" is of the following form

1. The skeptics say that the quran makes statement X.

2. The Quran does not make statement X.

3. We must look at the statement differently. By looking at it within context or by looking at it metaphorically or by looking at a different translation or by otherwise finding a different meaning, we see that the quran makes the statement Y.

4. So, quran does not make the statement X, but the statement Y.

5. So the quran is true.

The mistake here is that even if it did not make the statement X and if X is false, that does not make Y automatically true.

[DeistPaladin]

Just to be clear, my above post was not arguing in favor of Christianity. Anyone familiar with my posts knows better already but I just wanted no misunderstanding for any newcomers.

My point is that at least Christianity gives me something TO debunk. Sure it's all bullshit that won't bear close examination but at least you've got something to examine. With Islam, you've got nothing to look into but a bare assertion that goes beyond even the typical special pleading of other religions.

Biggest difference between Islam and Christianity.

Christianity offers bullshit.
Islam offers jack-shit.

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Huh? Here have a look at this link. http://www.theinimitablequran.com/fivema...ments.html

Click view on each major argument and you will see why I believe Quran is the word of god.

Summary:
"Look! It's so beautiful! It must have a divine source!"

Shakespeare's poetry was beautiful too. Was he a prophet?

Get back to me when you have something more to consider.

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Face it, if Quran is accepted by Scientists then surely that means only one reason is behind it. That is a divine being my friend.

Here is another article for you. http://www.bookofsigns.org/2011/09/meani...-in-quran/

I would like to hear your opinion.

Beyond the fallacy argument from authority (i.e. "This smart guy says it's true so it must be") we have what is called "confirmation bias"

Here's how the logical fallacy works:
1. Take a prophecy
2. Look back at some event or discovery since.
3. Try to retroactively interpret the prophecy to fit the event or discovery.

You can do it with any holy scripture of any religion. You can also do it with horoscopes and Nostradamus quatrains. I once, as an experiment, did it with my monthly Dilbert calender. The human brain can cherry pick what has happened or has been discovered and in retrospect, reinterpret the passage (or cartoon) to fit.

It's a logical fallacy. A mental slight of hand. It proves nothing. Next?

[DeistPaladin]

The real Jesus would never tolerate Christianity.

You see, this is exactly what I'm talking about. What do you base this on? Where did Muhammad's ideas about Jesus and what he "really" preached come from?

IF I were to believe that Jesus existed and...
IF I were to accept he had some truth about God that I should heed...

I'm more inclined to believe the people who actually come from the Church that allegedly was established by the people who allegedly saw Jesus and allegedly heard what he preached more than I'm inclined to believe some guy who came along six centuries later who's only source of information was from the people that Muhammad claims got it all wrong in the first place!

Like I said before, we're WAY past special pleading!

[Cyberman]

The real Darth Vader would have force-slapped George Lucas like a bitch for the prequel trilogy. But there never was a real Darth Vader, so it makes no difference what he would have done.

[Zakir_250]

I'm very impressed by this post. You have atleast brought some points that actually are worth refuting unlike other posters. What do you mean when mentioning Christianity? Christianity has more arguments against it than arguments for. The writers are annoymous and also they have illogical concepts.

You then talk about Paul. Thing is Paul was the founder of Christianity. He introduced "no works" and said worship Jesus. Muhammad claimed Jesus isn't divine because it's supported by the Bible. No where does Jesus claim divinity whatsoever.

Also Christians contradict Jesus. Jesus taught them to pray tothe father but they pray to Jesus. Don't blame Muhammad, blame Christians.

Like I said, I have psoted videos about converts and that only proves Islam true.

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[Of_Tomato]

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[Cosmic Ape]

I'm very impressed by this post. You have atleast brought some points that actually are worth refuting unlike other posters. What do you mean when mentioning Christianity? Christianity has more arguments against it than arguments for. The writers are annoymous and also they have illogical concepts.

You then talk about Paul. Thing is Paul was the founder of Christianity. He introduced "no works" and said worship Jesus. Muhammad claimed Jesus isn't divine because it's supported by the Bible. No where does Jesus claim divinity whatsoever.

Also Christians contradict Jesus. Jesus taught them to pray tothe father but they pray to Jesus. Don't blame Muhammad, blame Christians.

Like I said, I have psoted videos about converts and that only proves Islam true.

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I know you don't care what we have to say and you want to keep preaching but I have a secret for you...

I posted videos of converts that say I'm superman and I flew to the moon to come back with moon rocks....Don't you believe me? I'm a prophet, I'm written about in religious texts. It's the only true religion and I'm gonna get my converts to suicide bomb your house for speaking such blasphemy in the name of all mighty hitchslap.

[DeistPaladin]

I'm very impressed by this post.

Judging by the things you reference, it sounds like you're talking about my post. If so, thank you.

What do you mean when mentioning Christianity? Christianity has more arguments against it than arguments for. The writers are annoymous and also they have illogical concepts.

Agreed. You and I would share a lot of common ground making fun of the ridiculous concept of the Trinity (see my signature quote below) and the ways the supposed "eye witnesses" contradict each other, etc. I have said that my post should in no way be regarded as support for Christianity. It is bullshit and I often argue against it.

My point was at least Christianity gives me something TO debunk. Were I to decide to heed the words of Jesus, how would I decide what those words were? Shall I go with a church established by those said to have known Jesus? Or shall I go with a religion established by some guy who came along six centuries later who only heard about Jesus from the Christians who supposedly got it all wrong?

Do you see why, as a non believer in both religions, I can see how Christianity, for all its bullshit, at least offers bullshit. Islam offers what we call "jackshit" (nothing at all). In my mind, Bullshit > Jackshit. Clear?

You then talk about Paul. Thing is Paul was the founder of Christianity. He introduced "no works" and said worship Jesus.

Actually, he said that Jesus is the intercessor with the divine, which is a subtle distinction, especially if you believe the Trinity crap.

Muhammad claimed Jesus isn't divine because it's supported by the Bible. No where does Jesus claim divinity whatsoever.

Have you read the Gospel of John?

Also Christians contradict Jesus. Jesus taught them to pray tothe father but they pray to Jesus. Don't blame Muhammad, blame Christians.

The Christians contradict themselves. They pray to Jesus who is the intercessor for God. But Jesus IS God. Except when he's not. But when he is, he's the intercessor for himself. He sacrificed himself to himself to convince himself to forgive us all. He says that "no one comes to Me except through Me". (paraphrased John 14:6)

We can make fun of Christians all day and have common ground. I just believe in one less religion than you do.

[Zakir_250]

I'm very impressed by this post.

Judging by the things you reference, it sounds like you're talking about my post. If so, thank you.

What do you mean when mentioning Christianity? Christianity has more arguments against it than arguments for. The writers are annoymous and also they have illogical concepts.

Agreed. You and I would share a lot of common ground making fun of the ridiculous concept of the Trinity (see my signature quote below) and the ways the supposed "eye witnesses" contradict each other, etc. I have said that my post should in no way be regarded as support for Christianity. It is bullshit and I often argue against it.

My point was at least Christianity gives me something TO debunk. Were I to decide to heed the words of Jesus, how would I decide what those words were? Shall I go with a church established by those said to have known Jesus? Or shall I go with a religion established by some guy who came along six centuries later who only heard about Jesus from the Christians who supposedly got it all wrong?

Do you see why, as a non believer in both religions, I can see how Christianity, for all its bullshit, at least offers bullshit. Islam offers what we call "jackshit" (nothing at all). In my mind, Bullshit > Jackshit. Clear?

You then talk about Paul. Thing is Paul was the founder of Christianity. He introduced "no works" and said worship Jesus.

Actually, he said that Jesus is the intercessor with the divine, which is a subtle distinction, especially if you believe the Trinity crap.

Muhammad claimed Jesus isn't divine because it's supported by the Bible. No where does Jesus claim divinity whatsoever.

Have you read the Gospel of John?

Also Christians contradict Jesus. Jesus taught them to pray tothe father but they pray to Jesus. Don't blame Muhammad, blame Christians.

The Christians contradict themselves. They pray to Jesus who is the intercessor for God. But Jesus IS God. Except when he's not. But when he is, he's the intercessor for himself. He sacrificed himself to himself to convince himself to forgive us all. He says that "no one comes to Me except through Me". (paraphrased John 14:6)

We can make fun of Christians all day and have common ground. I just believe in one less religion than you do.

As for John 14:6, no that doesn't mean anything. Same thing can be said about Moses. Every prophet at his time was the way, truth and life and no came to god almighty except through them.

Gospel of John doesn't show Jesus claimed divnity.

Also you say Church was established by those who knew Jesus. Not really. We don't know who wrote the gospels so you can't say they knew Jesus. Muhammad was a reliable man who said what Jesus said. That is worship god alone. How is Islam jackshit? It is rational in saying God is one.