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52 children over a span of 110 to 900 years PER GENERATION with multiple partners is not an unreasonable number. Tell me you could not do this if given a nearly 1000 years with no internet, girly mags or any "other outlets" for yourself. Infact if you truly think about it That number maybe low.
I guess you keep missing the fact that the Bible says it's impossible without a miracle from our Lord to have a child after the age of 70 or so. I don't know how it's not sinking in, given that I've twice cited the verses in Genesis in question.
Also, your figure of living 900 years was only for the generations prior to the flood. After the flood, people only lived to be around 180 years.
Prior to the flood:
Seth: 912 Years (Gen 5:8) Enos: 905 Years (Gen 5:11) Cainan: 910 Years (Gen 5:14) Mahalaleel: 895 Years (Gen 5:17) Jered: 962 Years (Gen 5:20) Methuselah: 969 Years (Gen 5:27) Lemech: 777 Years (5:31) Noah: 950 Years (9:29)
After the flood:
Abraham: 175 Years (Gen 25:7) Ishmael: 137 Years (Gen 25:17) Isaac: 180 Years (Gen 35:28) Jacob: 147 Years (Gen 47:28)
So after the flood, people only lived a short 150-180 years. Still, fertility was limited such that a 90 year old woman giving birth was laughable:
Quote:Gen 18:13 And the LORD said unto Abraham, Wherefore did Sarah laugh, saying, Shall I of a surety bear a child, which am old?
So living to be 180 doesn't mean anything in terms of population growth if fertility is still limited. Hence, the Jewish population explosion was a miracle (as Sarah's child that she bore at such an old age was a miracle).
You're the one who brought up hundreds of years not Drich. the questions Drich first ask are valid and you slipped around them, why? The Israelites probably live shorter lives than 100 years and the average family had around 10 children per wife if there was more than one wife, this was not a common practice for the nation of Israel at this point in time. The reason there were so many people was due to the fact that they were in Egypt for 400 years, this would be about 10 generations in a simple math situation. However you must take into account, at the age of 14-16 couples were married and started to have children, after the first 14 years or so the next generation would be having children and a new generation would start every year after that for some 350 years. Start doing the math and you will find that there where a great number in the nation of Israel after 400 years. In no way were there just four generations.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
(March 25, 2012 at 6:00 am)Godschild Wrote: You're the one who brought up hundreds of years not Drich. the questions Drich first ask are valid and you slipped around them, why? The Israelites probably live shorter lives than 100 years and the average family had around 10 children per wife if there was more than one wife, this was not a common practice for the nation of Israel at this point in time. The reason there were so many people was due to the fact that they were in Egypt for 400 years, this would be about 10 generations in a simple math situation. However you must take into account, at the age of 14-16 couples were married and started to have children, after the first 14 years or so the next generation would be having children and a new generation would start every year after that for some 350 years. Start doing the math and you will find that there where a great number in the nation of Israel after 400 years. In no way were there just four generations.
(March 25, 2012 at 6:00 am)Godschild Wrote: You're the one who brought up hundreds of years not Drich. the questions Drich first ask are valid and you slipped around them, why? The Israelites probably live shorter lives than 100 years and the average family had around 10 children per wife if there was more than one wife, this was not a common practice for the nation of Israel at this point in time. The reason there were so many people was due to the fact that they were in Egypt for 400 years, this would be about 10 generations in a simple math situation. However you must take into account, at the age of 14-16 couples were married and started to have children, after the first 14 years or so the next generation would be having children and a new generation would start every year after that for some 350 years. Start doing the math and you will find that there where a great number in the nation of Israel after 400 years. In no way were there just four generations.
Do you actually know anything or do you just talk and hope god will give you the right words? I gotta tell you, if there is a god, he is playing a really cruel trick on you.
March 25, 2012 at 8:55 am (This post was last modified: March 25, 2012 at 9:03 am by The Grand Nudger.)
The lifespans described in the bible were an attempt to connect what the authors felt to be the distant past with what was then the present. They could only count so many names, and they had alot of ground to cover, so they took the lazy way out. They were used as intermissions to allow the narrator to hop quickly through time to "notable events" in the psuedo-history of the the people whom the story was centered upon. What would be "reasonable" given the lifespans is a moot point, it's a narrative device (and a common one). It's incredibly amusing that such a rich mythology has formed around what is a simple "and then" break in a narrative. The OT is a collection of folk stories, fairy tales, not a history. It does not have to be consistent with reality. It's only when people can't handle a good story that they completely abandon their fucking mind and do cartwheels to fit the whole bit into the waking world. It's dream-time, not real-time. The level of disinterest one has to have in their own fairy tales not to appreciate this is staggering to me.
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(March 25, 2012 at 6:00 am)Godschild Wrote: You're the one who brought up hundreds of years not Drich. the questions Drich first ask are valid and you slipped around them, why? The Israelites probably live shorter lives than 100 years and the average family had around 10 children per wife if there was more than one wife, this was not a common practice for the nation of Israel at this point in time. The reason there were so many people was due to the fact that they were in Egypt for 400 years, this would be about 10 generations in a simple math situation. However you must take into account, at the age of 14-16 couples were married and started to have children, after the first 14 years or so the next generation would be having children and a new generation would start every year after that for some 350 years. Start doing the math and you will find that there where a great number in the nation of Israel after 400 years. In no way were there just four generations.
Do you actually know anything or do you just talk and hope god will give you the right words? I gotta tell you, if there is a god, he is playing a really cruel trick on you.
I know you really do not have much to give to this conversation, enough said.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
(March 25, 2012 at 6:00 am)Godschild Wrote: You're the one who brought up hundreds of years not Drich. the questions Drich first ask are valid and you slipped around them, why? The Israelites probably live shorter lives than 100 years and the average family had around 10 children per wife if there was more than one wife, this was not a common practice for the nation of Israel at this point in time. The reason there were so many people was due to the fact that they were in Egypt for 400 years, this would be about 10 generations in a simple math situation. However you must take into account, at the age of 14-16 couples were married and started to have children, after the first 14 years or so the next generation would be having children and a new generation would start every year after that for some 350 years. Start doing the math and you will find that there where a great number in the nation of Israel after 400 years. In no way were there just four generations.
Do you actually know anything or do you just talk and hope god will give you the right words? I gotta tell you, if there is a god, he is playing a really cruel trick on you.
I know you really do not have much to give to this conversation, enough said.
Apparently you don't either. Or there is the possibility that your retardspeak to English translator is broken since your posts make no sense.
March 26, 2012 at 9:24 pm (This post was last modified: March 26, 2012 at 9:30 pm by YahwehIsTheWay.)
(March 25, 2012 at 10:46 am)Drich Wrote:
(March 25, 2012 at 6:05 am)Forsaken Wrote: And the proof is?
What proof are you looking for specifically?
The only proof that can be accepted by any reasonable man, of course. Quote me chapter and verse of the Holy Bible.
I say "man" since we all know that women can't be reasonable, as she is unable to teach (1Tim 2:11) and it was her influence that led man to the fall (Gen chapter 3), but as True Christians ™ we all know that.
(March 25, 2012 at 6:00 am)Godschild Wrote: The Israelites probably live shorter lives than 100 years and the average family had around 10 children per wife if there was more than one wife, this was not a common practice for the nation of Israel at this point in time.
But as slaves, their lifespan was likely shorter and it's unlikely they had more than one wife. Polygamy was traditionally a luxury of the rich and powerful.
In any event, the number we're shooting for is 26 per person. This means that a man and woman needed to produce 52. I man and two women would need to produce 78.
Why are you Christians so reluctant to claim this as proof of a miracle?
Quote:The reason there were so many people was due to the fact that they were in Egypt for 400 years, this would be about 10 generations in a simple math situation.
??? Chapter and verse please? I counted 4 generations.
Quote:In no way were there just four generations.
Chapter and verse please. That's the only source of information and True Christian ™ will accept.
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