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The Genesis Fraud
#11
RE: The Genesis Fraud
And I will call you Ray Jay.
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#12
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I'm gonna call him Garth.
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#13
RE: The Genesis Fraud
(April 9, 2012 at 9:29 am)Epimethean Wrote: And I will call you Ray Jay.

Then it is settled. From now on, I will be known as, Ray Jay The Christ-Michael Sherlock.

You can always trust a person in search of the truth, but never the one who has found it. MANLY P. HALL

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#14
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Drich wasn't addressing anything (let alone anyone), which seems to be pretty habitual.

-The origins, narratives, and history of this book are entirely different than what we originally envisioned.-Drich.."How does this change anything?"

For you, not one bit, of that I'm completely certain. You weren't actually interested in these things to begin with, you have your answer, you don't need any other answers no matter what the other answers may be or how well demonstrated they are. For those that are interested, quite a bit. This is one of those occassions where I get to make mention of the hilarity of building an impenetrable wall of ignorance around ones cherished fairy tales.
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(April 9, 2012 at 10:26 am)Rhythm Wrote: This is one of those occassions where I get to make mention of the hilarity of building an impenetrable wall of ignorance around ones cherished fairy tales.

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#16
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Quote:Who are you addressing?

The lunatic above me.
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#17
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(April 9, 2012 at 11:47 am)Minimalist Wrote:
Quote:Who are you addressing?

The lunatic above me.

But the lunatic above you seems to make a very good point.

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#18
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Quite a lengthy read, I may be studying it in shifts. I appreciate all the info though. I will have to browse older posts for more of this topic.
Thinking
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#19
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The anachronisms in the OT suggest a very late date for its composition (and even more important) editing. We have nothing tangible prior to the 3d century BC and even that is written in Greek.

Let's just take the first line of your dissertation.

Quote:According to Christian tradition the book of Genesis was written somewhere between 1513-1440BCE, at around the time of the Israelite’s alleged exodus from Egypt.

I do not give a flying fuck about xtian "tradition." Xtian "tradition" created names for the 3 wise men and turned them into "kings" several centuries after the Matthew tale was written. We now know that for the bulk of the time period you specified either Thutmoses III or Amenhotep II ruled Egypt. These two kings oversaw the greatest extent ever attained by the Egyptian empire, far surpassing the later realm of Seti and Ramesses II. Far from being laid low by some prick of a god, Egypt was at its absolute height of imperial power and there is no indication whatsoever of any sort of calamity. Egypt retained hegemony over Canaan until the middle of the 12th century BC.

So when people start whining about Genesis being literal, as fundies will do ad nauseam, there are two main things which must be overcome.

One: Exodus is a bullshit story. Nothing like it ever happened. This means that there was no "conquest" of Canaan either since the two tales are dependent on one another.

Two: Even more important for xtians, if the "Fall of Man" story is nothing but fairly useless poetry who needs "jesus." In this sense the fundies are absolutely right. If there was no Adam, no Eve, no tree of knowledge and talking snake then WTF is "jesus" coming back to "redeem?" To atheist ears the story is preposterous bullshit but without it there is no point whatsoever to the later insertion of the jesus character into the yarn to save us. If it never happened in the first place WTF are we being saved from.

Now, do you seriously think that characters like drich and G-C will grant that their stories are fictional or even allegorical? They regard fairy tales as "evidence."
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#20
RE: The Genesis Fraud
[quote='Rhythm' pid='269711' dateline='1333981585']
[quote]Drich wasn't addressing anything (let alone anyone), which seems to be pretty habitual.

-The origins, narratives, and history of this book are entirely different than what we originally envisioned.-Drich.."How does this change anything?" [/quote]Big Grin
You have missed the bigger picture. The only thing being addressed is the time lines Traditional Christianity has accepted. (Which are not the wholly accepted Jewish time lines for the Pentateuch) And as Genesis is apart of that collection of Books, the Jewish time lines should supersede the Traditional Roman Catholic appointed time lines. Still with me so far?

That means if the Jewish traditions are correct and Abraham started a pre-Genesis (Which BTW would not be in Hebrew because at that time there was no such language, and would also supersede the oldest possible account listed by the OP) book that Moses/Joshua Finished, that is now know as Genesis then none of the timelines or the "Origins, narratives and history of this book" have been effected."

Leading me back to my original question. So what changes? The fact that the Roman Catholic historians who guesstimated the approximate time lines 1000 years ago made a mistake???
So what.

[quote]For you, not one bit, of that I'm completely certain. You weren't actually interested in these things to begin with, you have your answer, you don't need any other answers no matter what the other answers may be or how well demonstrated they are.[/quote]

I could say the same about you and how you responded to my original post, Because i alluded to all of this when I asked why weren't the Jewish Time lines addressed? Why was the sole focus on the work of the Medieval church? Maybe because everyone knows their are many errors and much confusion that radiates from the church in that time. But it seems you have your answers and none of the questions I brought up had any Merritt because you just knew or rather you need me to be that single minded Christian who simply does not want to know better.

Surprise! Genesis was not a Christian book, so why address it as such unless the whole of the "well documented" argument only works from the direction it is has been "well documented" From? Why not address the Jewish interpretation of the scripture? The interpretations that do not coincide with the time lines given?

[quote]For those that are interested, quite a bit. This is one of those occasions where I get to make mention of the hilarity of building an impenetrable wall of ignorance around ones cherished fairy tales.[/quote]
Me thinks someone has counted his chickens before they hatched. You guys just close your minds off to anyone who hits the right combination of buttons. They can say anything if they give the names of men who are supposed to be smart than you, and you just role over to what is being said without another thought.

Why? Because you all have been trained to give up all of your rational thought processes to an agreed upon process.. Or did you not know Genesis was a Jewish Book and not a Christian one?
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