Yahweh: The worshiping of a Volcano / fire GOD of War.

[TheJackel]

Better grasp that last straw all the rest have broken.

So you have nothing to argue with... And the fact that others here to which include myself were breaking your straws, it's not a surprise that they are all broken. The last one I am holding in my hand is again your straw. A straw that represents your lack of ability to actually make an argument to substantiate your position. Simply put, you have nothing to empirically support your position with. After all, it's your GOD that is having smoke come from his nostrils and fire from his mouth, and it's your religion that threatens people to a lake of fire.. Volcano cult indeed! :/

[Minimalist]

You see, Volcano God worship more than likely predates Moses

Of course, that presupposes that fucking moses existed at all.... highly doubtful that.

[TheJackel]

You see, Volcano God worship more than likely predates Moses

Of course, that presupposes that fucking moses existed at all.... highly doubtful that.

Exactly.. Moses and exodus could simply just be a fairy tale about their volcano GOD. And it mostly likely is as people write fictional stories all the time that may even revolve around real events. You see this sort of thing in all mythological religions to which include those whom worship Pelee. And giving there is literally no evidence that Exodus actually happened as stated in the Bible, it's likely nothing more than a fictional fairy tale, or a fictional fairy tale based around a real natural Volcanic event..

So I completely agree Minimalist. So in giving the evidence we have, it's pretty empirically clear that this religion in question is a Volcano / fire cult... This had a lot to do with me dumping Christianity myself as I had been a Christian for over 20 years of my life. The more I questioned my religion and took the time to research it, the more I realized what a crock of shit it was. Still interesting to learn about like it is to learn about the Greek mythologies, but I really can't take it seriously anymore.

[Minimalist]

The Kenite hypothesis...

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsou...11033.html

[Anomalocaris]

Actually, dating a mild eruption within last few thousand years is often difficult because many of the dating techniques are only accurate to within a few thousand years. This is even more so in a desert, where eruption is less likely to encounter plants it could kill and bury, whose remains could then be carbon dated to give an accurate eruption date.

There are fresh looking volcanos whose most recent eruption is precisely dated to "anywhere between 730,000 years ago, when the earth's magnetic field last reversed polarity, and last few thousand years". The reason for the range is we don't have direct evidence it erupted in the last few thousand years, nor do we have direct evidence that its most recent eruption was not within the last few thousand years. All we know is its last eruption occurred after the magnetic field of the earth assumed its present polarity, which occurred 724,000 years before god created the earth whose magnetic field marked the volcano that stood on it, CG.

So the fact that we haven't found direct evidence pointing directly to an eruption within the last few thousand years does not in principle rules out the possibility that it could have erupted within the last few thousand years.

Next straw please, GC.

BTW, since when did a young earth creationist suddenly hang his argument, in principle, on accuracy of geological dating, GC?

[Minimalist]

When he gets desperate enough.

[TheJackel]

The Kenite hypothesis...

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsou...11033.html

Fire would have been a very important element of their lives, so this hypothesis isn't at all far fetched.

[Godscreated]

Actually, dating a mild eruption within last few thousand years is often difficult because many of the dating techniques are only accurate to within a few thousand years. This is even more so in a desert, where eruption is less likely to encounter plants it could kill and bury, whose remains could then be carbon dated to give an accurate eruption date.

There are fresh looking volcanos whose most recent eruption is precisely dated to "anywhere between 730,000 years ago, when the earth's magnetic field last reversed polarity, and last few thousand years". The reason for the range is we don't have direct evidence it erupted in the last few thousand years, nor do we have direct evidence that its most recent eruption was not within the last few thousand years. All we know is its last eruption occurred after the magnetic field of the earth assumed its present polarity, which occurred 724,000 years before god created the earth whose magnetic field marked the volcano that stood on it, CG.

So the fact that we haven't found direct evidence pointing directly to an eruption within the last few thousand years does not in principle rules out the possibility that it could have erupted within the last few thousand years.

Next straw please, GC.

BTW, since when did a young earth creationist suddenly hang his argument, in principle, on accuracy of geological dating, GC?

I've always said the earth could be 50,000 years old, just not necessarily. If you can not give absolute proof of your claim what good is it. You guys always ask for scientific evidence so I thought I'd bring a little to the table. By the way I'm not trying to prove Jebel al Lawz as Mt. Sinai, put it up as a viable option, which it is. Just trying to place doubt on a volcano as God, believe I've done that.

[TheJackel]

I've always said the earth could be 50,000 years old, just not necessarily. If you can not give absolute proof of your claim what good is it. You guys always ask for scientific evidence so I thought I'd bring a little to the table. By the way I'm not trying to prove Jebel al Lawz as Mt. Sinai, put it up as a viable option, which it is. Just trying to place doubt on a volcano as God, believe I've done that.

Firstly, we are not discussing how old Earth is here.. 2ndly, Jabel Al Lawz does nothing to cast doubt about volcano worship. Even if I were to give you Jabel Al Lawz for argument sake, what evidence do you have that they didn't just stop there and take a moment to worship a Volcano GOD they already visited elsewhere? Hence, there is no evidence you have to even susggest Jabel Al Lawz was even anything more than a possible resting place should we even play along that they ever visited the place. And of course there is no evidence what-so-ever to support any of the claims about that place. Especially when it does not match any description about said event according to the story of Exodus... This tells me you didn't actually read my article. And my article does not rest it's claim on just Exodus as it covers a lot of material throughout the entire bible... Yes, it's a consistent and reoccurring theme..

[Anomalocaris]

I've always said the earth could be 50,000 years old, just not necessarily. If you can not give absolute proof of your claim what good is it. You guys always ask for scientific evidence so I thought I'd bring a little to the table. By the way I'm not trying to prove Jebel al Lawz as Mt. Sinai, put it up as a viable option, which it is. Just trying to place doubt on a volcano as God, believe I've done that.

What is proof to you if, when as strong a proof as human intellect and scientfic progress can allow says earth is at least 4.5 billion years old, you still recycle the ignorant doggerel about earth only being a few thousands of years old?

As to absolute proof, where is the absolute proof that anything fundamental to christian comsology has any foundation other than ignorant goat herder's wet dream?

When you have no proof of any of its foundations, what good is any absolute world view based on that idiotic bible of yours?

When you have no bible, what good is your psychiatrically diseased, not to mention sectarian and ignorant, "christ"?