THE BIBLE: God’s Word or Man’s?

[Regens Küchl]

A JW?

Ah,that makes sense. I KNEW there was something familiar in the style;she has lifted the lot(including the titles) verbatim from "The Watctower " .That turgid and idiotic publication has been around for decades. If you haven't read it, pick up a copy in the street. It will show you that people are indeed capable of being as willfully ignorant and stupid as you may always have suspected.

Don't forget that "invisible jesus" came back in 1914.

Watch Tower Society publications teach that Jesus Christ began to rule in heaven as king of God's Kingdom in October 1914, and that Satan was subsequently ousted from heaven to the earth, resulting in "woe" to mankind. They believe that Jesus rules invisibly, perceived only as a series of "signs". They base this belief on a rendering of the Greek word parousia—usually translated as "coming" when referring to Christ—as "presence". They believe Jesus' presence refers to a period of unknown duration rather than a moment of arrival
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah%27s_Witnesses

Being a JW is really a special class of stupid!

But beware. As this SHE-JW states in that BODYBUILDING FORUM she is able to debunk every argument against her in every forum she visits.

ALTER2EGO -to- MIKE PULCINELLA:
Sure I've read the usual rebuttals from atheists that I debate at other websites. And I debunk them everytime--like I'm doing you and your pals right now. You see, I've got truth on my side. Meanwhile, you and your atheist pals are stumbling around trying to find ways of outwitting me, and it won't happen. You know why? Because I come well-armed with truth. Truth wins every time.
http://forums.musculardevelopment.com/sh...%E2%80%99s

[Cinjin]

The book of Isaiah has been dated to 732 B.C.E or the 8th Century B.C.E, which puts it 200 years ahead of the Greeks. And then of course there's the matter of the book of Job which describes the earth as hanging upon nothing--indicating invisible gravity.It wasn't until the 20th century that astronauts were able to confirm what Moses wrote in the book of Job, that the earth indeed appears to be hanging upon nothing when seen from outer space.

and yet they hadn't figured out that light comes from the sun and the stars and wrote that they were created after light showed up. Umm, oops, jesus has to be a little embarrassed about that one.

[Minimalist]

But beware. As this SHE-JW states in that BODYBUILDING FORUM she is able to debunk every argument against her in every forum she visits.

Of course, Pad. they think "I read it in the fucking watchtower is a suitable answer to any question."

The whole bunch belongs in padded cells.

[The Grand Nudger]

Hey OP, you may not have been aware of this, but many germanic tribes gave an eerily accurate account of both the big bang and the origin of our species.

Hail Wotan!

[Killman]

So, the bible proves that the bible is true.

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Fuckin' A, this opens a bunch of doors.

[Alter2Ego]

SO BASICALLY you're saying that your circular logic bullshit is credible evidence.

Do you SERIOUSLY expect people on this website who DON'T take everything at face value to buy this bullshit, or are you just on a particularly high dosage of quaaludes? ._.

Also the bible said that the earth is laid on a foundation and unmoving and that the sun revolves around the earth. And that there are four-legged insects. And that rabbits chew their own cud: Leviticus 11:5-6 Rabbits (Coney) chew their cud and because of this they are unclean.

ALTER2EGO -to- CREED OF HERESY:
Do me a favor and identify the scripture or scriptures (Bible book, chapter, and verses) that say the earth is unmoving and that the sun revolves around the earth, and then I will address that issue in my next post.

The verse of scripture at Leviticus 11:5-6 seems to be a favorite of Bible critics. Below is a weblink that addresses this issue by pointing out that English translators apparently inserted rabbit because of not knowing the correct name of the animal that was to be inserted there. I will provide you with a partial quotation of what the author said, but to read the rest of the article (is pretty short) be sure and go to the website.

First off, rabbits don't have hooves.

Second, a coney is a rabbit and basically, so is a hare.

Clearly the translators hundreds of years ago didn't know
for sure what the animals were that were being described
in the two verses above, but in having to translate the
text, they decided to use "coney" and "hare" as the animals
and left it at that.
(Source: John P. Boatwright)

http://home.teleport.com/~salad/4god/cud.htm

The idea is that since rabbits don't have hooves, the word "rabbit" should not have been used at Leviticus 11:5-6. Remember, translation to other languages are known to contain translator errors, and some Bible translations have more errors than others. The point I'm making is that the original Hebrew writings are not at fault.

In Genesis 1:1 it says "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.", then later on in Genesis 1:8 it says "And God called the firmament Heaven." So did he create heaven twice? Are there two heavens? I thought maybe the first statement was just saying what God did, then it was going to explain in detail how he created heaven and earth... but in Genesis 1:2 the earth has already been created. So I have to believe that there was a double creation of heaven.

ALTER2EGO -to- CREED OF HERESY:
What you fail to realize is that Bible writers often elaborate on what they had earlier reported on. So the second time you see the same event reported, that is the elaboration where the reader is getting a little more information. That is the case with Genesis 1:1 which gives a brief summary of events, as follows:

"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." (Genesis 1:1)

This is then elaborated on at Genesis 1:6-8.

I will respond to the remainder of your post at a later time.

[downbeatplumb]

What you fail to realize is that Bible writers often elaborate on what they had earlier reported on. So the second time you see the same event reported, that is the elaboration where the reader is getting a little more information.

So the bible writers "get more information" and "elaborate".


Where are they geting this information that wasnt avalable the first time?
Investigative journailism, scientific study, voices in heir heads?

Or they do a Joseph Smith and just make shit up?

Its the last one isnt it.

I have read the bible and find it an excremental work of extremly bad literature. Its a poor read and I only struggled through itbecause of its supposed importance.

[Alter2Ego]

DISCUSSION QUESTIONS:
1. How could Isaiah have known that the earth is circular, considering that the writing of the book of Isaiah was completed in 732 B.C.E. and Christopher Columbus did not make his first journey across the Atlantic until 1492 AD/CE or 2,224 years AFTER Isaiah wrote that the earth is a circle?
http://www.history.com/topics/christopher-columbus

1. The earth is not circular as Isiah says, it is spherical. He could of said it was round and that would of been accurate, he did not. Did he get that flawed analysis from God?
I'd also like to point out that if you look at the horizon you might notice it has a curve to it, you could also look at the sun and the moon while you're at it and go:
"Well maybe the worlds circular... Derp".

ALTER2EGO -to- RAPHIEL DRAKE:
As stated in my opening post, Circles are 2D as well as 3D. But that's not even what Isaiah was referring to. He was giving a description of how earth looks from God's viewpoint. Notice again what he wrote. This time, I will bold the words I want to bring to your attention.

"{22} There is One who is dwelling above the circle of the earth, the dwellers in which are as grasshoppers, the One who is stretching out the heavens just as a fine gaze, who spread them out like a tent in which to dwell, {28} Have you not come to know or have you not heard? Jehovah, the Creator of the extremities of the earth, is a God to time indefinite. He does not tire out or grow weary. There is no searching out of his understanding." (Isaiah 40:22 and 28)

To someone above the earth, depending on the position of the camera, it looks like a plain circle. It's a viewpoint description that Isaiah was giving. It was not until the 20th century, when humans mastered space flight, that they were able to get the viewpoint of the "One who is dwelling above" earth. Astronauts saw a circle, depending on which position they were located.

Below is a photograph of how earth looks from outer space, based upon the angle of the camera. You will notice that it fits the description given by Isaiah. It looks like a circle. I will respond to the other part of your post at another time.

[Anomalocaris]

Alter2ego, discussion question:

How could you be so sstark raving insensible as to come here with bible quotes and think you would've taken to be less stupid and more worthy of partaking in serious discussion than any of the other morons who has come here before and amply demonstrated the full depth of stupidity required to embrace the creed which you have have embraced?

[Alter2Ego]

The book of Isaiah has been dated to 732 B.C.E or the 8th Century B.C.E, which puts it 200 years ahead of the Greeks. And then of course there's the matter of the book of Job which describes the earth as hanging upon nothing--indicating invisible gravity.It wasn't until the 20th century that astronauts were able to confirm what Moses wrote in the book of Job, that the earth indeed appears to be hanging upon nothing when seen from outer space.

and yet they hadn't figured out that light comes from the sun and the stars and wrote that they were created after light showed up. Umm, oops, jesus has to be a little embarrassed about that one.

ALTER2EGO -to- CINJIN:
Since none of us were around when Jehovah was doing the creating, who is say what source of light he used prior to him creating the sun, moon, and the stars on Creative Day #3? The Bible does not say, but as Creator, he was capable of using other sources of light.