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RE: Big Bang Theory
November 15, 2012 at 12:19 am
(November 13, 2012 at 12:21 am)Rhythm Wrote: (November 12, 2012 at 2:04 pm)Truth Matters Wrote: Your statement is inconsistent with your own Atheism.
Your statement presumes some You ('I') exists to 'choose' or 'trust' apart from the delusions induced by brain chemicals. "I" may be shorthand for a complex series of chemical interactions, how that conflicts with atheism is beyond me, because I don't see any gods being invoked, or any belief in them being leveraged. Try harder.
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Where do you get that 'I' that trusts - apart from chemical delusion????
With Atheism. there is no 'you' apart from the chemicals and delusions induced by chemical force.
And?
Quote:So even your own direct experience is radically inconsistent with your Atheistic metaphysics. You may have never considered it, but it's obviously very real. You do not experience yourself as a chemical machine with no free-will or intention apart from chemical determinism.
My atheist metaphysics..lol, you're a piece of work, lol. I don't experience myself as a collection of cells, but I am precisely that. Maybe you trust your own delusions just a little too much eh? I often experience myself as a biological machine subject to "chemical determinism". Every waking hour of every day actually. I can't actually point to anything and say "aha - that's free will", I like to think that I have free will, but I'm not such a mark as to trust in my own delusions so wholeheartedly.....see how that works?
Quote:You have a soul working through the physical brain.
I don't believe in ghosts, and since you can't produce one...
Quote:Your soul is you.
means jack shit.
Quote:Your brain is a chemical store of memory and physical conduit to the physical realm within which we exist.
Why would I need a chemical store of memory? My non-existent ghostly stores have some critical design flaw or something?
You know it's just occurred to me that you clearly have no fucking clue what atheism is, or you wouldn't be pissing and moaning about ghosts as though an atheist couldn't believe in them...... How are you going to mount any arguments or criticisms of something you are demonstrably ignorant of? If you line up enough atheists (hows about that for a wet dream eh?) you'll probably run across one that believes in ghosts. Not me, mind you, but they're out there. Why wouldn't they be? Ghosts are not gods.
No, but ghosts are supernatural and seems like that's what a crap ton of atheists say they don't believe in - anything supernatural. I have met a few that believe in ghosts . I just laugh a little harder at them.
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RE: Big Bang Theory
November 15, 2012 at 12:22 am
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There are probably a fair few atheists who don't believe in supernatural things Tnm, but that isn't because they're atheists. Atheism has nothing to do with ghosts, and it isn't a position on "the supernatural" at-large. You laugh a little harder eh? Harder as opposed to what, christians that believe in ghosts?
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RE: Big Bang Theory
November 15, 2012 at 12:44 am
(November 15, 2012 at 12:19 am)Tnmusicman Wrote: No, but ghosts are supernatural and seems like that's what a crap ton of atheists say they don't believe in - anything supernatural. I have met a few that believe in ghosts . I just laugh a little harder at them.
And you should. You will then get a sense for why we laugh gregariously at prominent christians that proclaim that hurricanes were sent by god to punish those that tolerate homosexuals...
Or those that proclaim earthquakes strike a hundred years later to punish a pact with the devil...
Or sell cheap camping equipment and buckets of dehydrated food to old people as end time's necessities...
Or let the suffering die in squalor instead of getting proper medical treatment because it's god's will...
Or pretend to be a charity when all you're doing is trading a fucking sandwich for a soul...
I could go on, but I hope you get the point.
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RE: Big Bang Theory
November 15, 2012 at 12:50 am
The concept of ghost does not necessarily require it to be supernatural. So it is not necessarily self contradictory to believe in ghost while dismissing the supernatural.
In fact, the idiotic theists who claim the supposed departure of soul from the body at moment of death can de registered scientifically by a reduction in body weight is in fact making the claim that the soul is not supernatural, but infact obey natural laws in specifically quantifiable manner.
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RE: Big Bang Theory
November 15, 2012 at 6:40 pm
(This post was last modified: November 15, 2012 at 6:48 pm by Tnmusicman.)
(November 15, 2012 at 12:22 am)Rhythm Wrote: There are probably a fair few atheists who don't believe in supernatural things Tnm, but that isn't because they're atheists. Atheism has nothing to do with ghosts, and it isn't a position on "the supernatural" at-large. You laugh a little harder eh? Harder as opposed to what, christians that believe in ghosts?
I laugh at the atheists that say explicitly "don't believe supernatural" but believe in ghosts. To most people ghosts are supernatural. It's no matter that its not a "position" of atheists. It's funny because a number of times atheists have pointed out to certain you tubers that since they were atheists they didn't believe in ANYTHING supernatural. I've had atheists continue to back that up so yes it's kind of funny that an atheist will say no no I don't believe in a god but I can get behind this ghost thing!! Yeeeep!!!
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RE: Big Bang Theory
November 15, 2012 at 6:43 pm
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Anyone who said that they didn't believe in the supernatural but believed in ghosts is going to elicit a giggle, sure. Maybe they have some idea of a ghost that is natural (that's probably gonna get a giggle too..from me at least). On the other hand I giggle at anyone who admits to believing in ghosts period. All this being said, atheism, again, has nothing to do with ghosts. How about you, do you laugh at people that believe in ghosts? Or do you just laugh at atheists that believe in ghosts? Do you yourself believe in ghosts?
In any case an atheist is perfectly able to believe in them (or the supernatural) and remain a atheist.
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RE: Big Bang Theory
November 15, 2012 at 6:50 pm
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I laugh at theist morons who resort to:
(November 15, 2012 at 6:40 pm)Tnmusicman Wrote: To most people ... blah blah bla
There is no reason why most people should be right about even concrete, measurable, tangible things about which it is actually possible to be right.
This Tnmusiman imbicile is now applying thefallacy of argumentum ad populum to vacuous figments like ghosts and god which lacks any substance upon which to even apply in any meaningful way the concept of right.
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RE: Big Bang Theory
November 15, 2012 at 6:50 pm
(This post was last modified: November 15, 2012 at 7:07 pm by Tnmusicman.)
(November 15, 2012 at 12:50 am)Chuck Wrote: The concept of ghost does not necessarily require it to be supernatural. So it is not necessarily self contradictory to believe in ghost while dismissing the supernatural.
In fact, the idiotic theists who claim the supposed departure of soul from the body at moment of death can de registered scientifically by a reduction in body weight is in fact making the claim that the soul is not supernatural, but infact obey natural laws in specifically quantifiable manner.
If its not supernatural then what is it???
Can't comment on the whole soul issue as I've never heard anybody make such a claim regarding the reduction in body weight.
(November 15, 2012 at 6:43 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Anyone who said that they didn't believe in the supernatural but believed in ghosts is going to elicit a giggle, sure. Maybe they have some idea of a ghost that is natural (that's probably gonna get a giggle too..from me at least). On the other hand I giggle at anyone who admits to believing in ghosts period. All this being said, atheism, again, has nothing to do with ghosts. How about you, do you laugh at people that believe in ghosts? Or do you just laugh at atheists that believe in ghosts? Do you yourself believe in ghosts?
In any case an atheist is perfectly able to believe in them (or the supernatural) and remain a atheist.
I don't have an opinion on the matter. I don't care enough about it to give it thought.
(November 15, 2012 at 6:50 pm)Chuck Wrote: I laugh at theist morons who resort to:
(November 15, 2012 at 6:40 pm)Tnmusicman Wrote: To most people ... blah blah bla
There is no reason why most people should be right about even concrete, measurable, tangible things about which it is actually possible to be right.
This Tnmusiman imbicile is now applying thefallacy of argumentum ad populum to vacuous figments like ghosts and god which lacks any substance upon which to even apply in any meaningful way the concept of right.
Yeah, well if it bothers you .....yknow , tough !!
(November 15, 2012 at 12:44 am)cato123 Wrote: (November 15, 2012 at 12:19 am)Tnmusicman Wrote: No, but ghosts are supernatural and seems like that's what a crap ton of atheists say they don't believe in - anything supernatural. I have met a few that believe in ghosts . I just laugh a little harder at them.
And you should. You will then get a sense for why we laugh gregariously at prominent christians that proclaim that hurricanes were sent by god to punish those that tolerate homosexuals...
Or those that proclaim earthquakes strike a hundred years later to punish a pact with the devil...
Or sell cheap camping equipment and buckets of dehydrated food to old people as end time's necessities...
Or let the suffering die in squalor instead of getting proper medical treatment because it's god's will...
Or pretend to be a charity when all you're doing is trading a fucking sandwich for a soul...
I could go on, but I hope you get the point.
I don't wonder why you laugh at theists.I disagree about the pretend to be charity issue because there is no way you could claim to be correct about that. There may be some instances that your claim is correct but one instance is not all instances so its rather incorrect to claim so.
It's also incorrect to assume that all Christians adhere to or believe anything you stated as being correct.
Blanket statements!
(November 15, 2012 at 6:50 pm)Chuck Wrote: I laugh at theist morons who resort to:
(November 15, 2012 at 6:40 pm)Tnmusicman Wrote: To most people ... blah blah bla
There is no reason why most people should be right about even concrete, measurable, tangible things about which it is actually possible to be right.
This Tnmusiman imbicile is now applying thefallacy of argumentum ad populum to vacuous figments like ghosts and god which lacks any substance upon which to even apply in any meaningful way the concept of right.
Doesn't change the fact most people believe ghosts are supernatural.
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RE: Big Bang Theory
November 15, 2012 at 7:46 pm
(November 15, 2012 at 6:50 pm)Tnmusicman Wrote: I don't have an opinion on the matter. I don't care enough about it to give it thought. I've often had suspicions that those who self identify as christian don't care enough to have actually considered or formed an opinion on portions of their own faith.
Now excuse me while I laugh at you for believing in ghosts, and excuse me as I laugh twice as hard at you for not having the courage to own it.
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RE: Big Bang Theory
November 18, 2012 at 6:52 am
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(November 15, 2012 at 7:46 pm)Rhythm Wrote: (November 15, 2012 at 6:50 pm)Tnmusicman Wrote: I don't have an opinion on the matter. I don't care enough about it to give it thought. I've often had suspicions that those who self identify as christian don't care enough to have actually considered or formed an opinion on portions of their own faith.
Now excuse me while I laugh at you for believing in ghosts, and excuse me as I laugh twice as hard at you for not having the courage to own it.
You don't know enough about my "religion" to make that claim. You assume you do, but you don't.
Btw, members of my "faith" know there is a difference between the Holy Ghost and spirits of the dead knocking about on earth (for some reason).
Yeah, laugh at my courage. It's all good with me. Ill assume your laughter is really that you are pissed I didn't take your bait. Of course, you haven't once asked me what sect of Christianity that I am so it's rather intellectually dishonest to assume its part of "my" faith.
(November 15, 2012 at 6:50 pm)Chuck Wrote: I laugh at theist morons who resort to:
(November 15, 2012 at 6:40 pm)Tnmusicman Wrote: To most people ... blah blah bla
There is no reason why most people should be right about even concrete, measurable, tangible things about which it is actually possible to be right.
This Tnmusiman imbicile is now applying thefallacy of argumentum ad populum to vacuous figments like ghosts and god which lacks any substance upon which to even apply in any meaningful way the concept of right.
Yes well show me someone that doesn't think a ghost is supernatural and ill show you someone that's a potential doink. I say "most people" because most people I know agree that ghosts are supernatural. I'm sure you don't do the same thing at times.
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