The year of whose lord?

[Drich]

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Luke 2:1

Please explain.

So- you fail.

so please explain and tell me how it is 'I fail."

Oh, sorry. I thought you said "we know" because you meant "we know". It's good you admit we don't know. Because we don't.

Which, is what the spread denoted... (We know that we don't know but here is what we think.)

[Erinome]

so please explain and tell me how it is 'I fail."

I'll just stick with the fails in this thread.

You said "you people" when referring to people who use BCE instead of BC/AD. As if atheists destroyed the Gregorian calendar with their secular terminology. HILARIOUS! Then you failed to defend your position. Understandable, but fail, nonetheless.

You don't know which chapter and verse in Luke to find the part about Quirinius. I thought you were a biblical scholar. LOL Fail.

Then we have the following:

Which, is what the spread denoted... (We know that we don't know but here is what we think.)

But you said "We know". Therefore, you fail.

[KnockEmOuttt]

One way to keep it from pissing you off could be to just think of it as this, AD means after death. Seeing as Xtians are supposed to believe in a Zombie Jesus isn't it a bit moronic to still call it After Death when the fucker supposedly rose from the dead? But anyway, just remember it means after death and be thankful someone who has indirectly caused so much fucking trouble in our world is dead.

Except that "After Death" would be even more grossly incorrect, since the first 33ish years of the A.D. period are during the time Jesus supposedly lived.

I do disagree with B.C. and A.D. personally as a matter of principle, but I understand their usage as they've been engrained on society after however many years and I'm sure many people don't even know what they stand for anymore. That's neither hear nor there. Perhaps the biggest problem is the historical accuracy of titles, which is why I prefer (and think we should switch to) B.C.E. and C.E., not only because the only proof of Jesus' existence is biblical and religious in nature, but because B.C. and A.D. would still be inaccurate even if he did exist.

[Cinjin]

As I recall, prior to the godboy, the Roman Empire kept track of the date based on the reign/death of a significant Ceasar. Therefore, the year could easily change if the powers that be so desired to "restart" the clock with the birth/death of an important ruler. Min probably knows the specifics better than I do, but I think the actual year that Jesus was born (according to the Roman calendar of that time) was somewhere around 750 ... and that might have actually been 750 some odd years after the founding of Rome ... but I'm not totally sure and don't want to spend the time looking it up.

Most of the prominent civilizations (the Egyptians, etc) practiced this method of recording the date of the year. The truth is, you can assign any number you want to the year. 14,012 is every bit as legitimate as calling it the year 2012. It means nothing. Hell, I seem to remember that some Cardinal (or clergy of some kind) didn't even come up with the BC/AD system until 6 centuries after JC had supposedly died.

[jonb]

His mom's lie just got a little out of hand, maybe.

Don't blame the teenage girl, in that society it is far more likely the husband had to lie rather than suffering a loss of face. He probably got the idea from the dead sea scrolls which had been written a lot earlier and told most of the story, but it happened to someone else.

[Shell B]

Was she married to Joseph when she got pregnant with Jesus?

[Drich]

I'll just stick with the fails in this thread.

You said "you people" when referring to people who use BCE instead of BC/AD. As if atheists destroyed the Gregorian calendar with their secular terminology. HILARIOUS! Then you failed to defend your position. Understandable, but fail, nonetheless.

The 'position you imagined' i should have had?? How do you think you know what my position was beyond what was written?

You people referred to all of those who resented the denotation of marking the 'common era' with a reference to God. Then i went so far to say that this denotation did not change the year or the calender in anyway. I also pointed out that unless you were watching filmed something pre 2000(Which would most definatly include anything with a post production date of 2000 on it, because these things take months if not years to put together) the BC/AD references could be indicating that your show was produced by Christian company, because they are the only ones who still uses these terms.

So in that please explain how it is 'I fail' to defend my position. In detail and not simply appeal to a catch phrase in hopes that i will yeild to the shame and embarrassment you think that term assigns. I want to see the same due dillegence that i have afforded you to this point, not an attempt to fold while you think you are ahead.

You don't know which chapter and verse in Luke to find the part about Quirinius. I thought you were a biblical scholar. LOL Fail.

Why do you assume that I did not know? could be i was making sure that Min or you were fully invested in a want for a deeper conversation before i started breaking out the lexicons and reference materials? after all what is the point if your just cutting and pasteing someone elses work? unless you are semi invested in the conversation (even if you simply think it is an oppertunity to make me look foolish because i didn't even know what verse you were referencing) I have found that more often than not I am just wasting my time. time that could be spent with someone who truly has a question.

But you said "We know". Therefore, you fail.

Again explain. How does 'we know' equate to fail? Do you simply not understand basic composition? allow me to explain a 3rd time. When one says 'we know' and gives a bracketed time line it mean we think this event happened between the two time periods mentioned. this also means that we donot have a specific day month or year. Otherwise we would not need a bracket of time that includes several years.

[Minimalist]

Book chapter and verse?

You mean you don't read your own bullshit? Interesting.

2 In those days Caesar Augustus issued a decree that a census should be taken of the entire Roman world. 2 (This was the first census that took place while[a] Quirinius was governor of Syria.)

Luke 2

[Drich]

Was she married to Joseph when she got pregnant with Jesus?

Noope

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Book chapter and verse?

You mean you don't read your own bullshit? Interesting.

2 In those days Caesar Augustus issued a decree that a census should be taken of the entire Roman world. 2 (This was the first census that took place while[a] Quirinius was governor of Syria.)

Luke 2

How is it you see a contradiction in Luke 2 with the time line of Herods death?

[Minimalist]

Slut.

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How is it you see a contradiction in Luke 2 with the time line of Herods death?

Herod was dead for 10 years before Quirinius got there.