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RE: Prayer?
August 3, 2012 at 6:59 pm
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(August 3, 2012 at 6:06 pm)Faith No More Wrote: Drich, nothing you said there explains why rehearsed prayers are bad besides this one. They just are not what Christ/God considers to be Prayers.
Quote:And what's with this "indebted" nonsense anyway? We all know True Christians™ say "as we forgive those who trespass against us."
well maybe the True Christians could try Reading a New King James Version or just a standard King James version:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?sea...rsion=NKJV
Which btw Indebted/tresspass against us, has been translated from the same greek word:ὀφείλω opheilō it means: to owe.
Catholic versions change this word to tresspass (which means the same without the same bite) because then forgiveness becomes a matter between you and God, leaving preists with less to do in their booths...
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RE: Prayer?
August 3, 2012 at 7:00 pm
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(August 3, 2012 at 6:52 pm)Faith No More Wrote: You're still avoiding the issue that you raised in the OP, which is that the Lord's prayer is somehow exempt from the condemnation of rehearsed prayer.
On a scale of 1 to 10, 1 being wholly unsurprised and 10 being the discovery that Lady GaGa isn't just a man but is actually 2pac as a deep undercover cop hot on the trail of a notorious serial bigamist where would you say you are round about now?
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RE: Prayer?
August 3, 2012 at 7:10 pm
(August 3, 2012 at 6:52 pm)Faith No More Wrote: You're still avoiding the issue that you raised in the OP, which is that the Lord's prayer is somehow exempt from the condemnation of rehearsed prayer.
The lord's model of Prayer is an out line and not an actual prayer. many pray this as a prayer, and that what makes it a repetitious. As an outline one is free to fill in with whatever greeting, exultation, petition to have God usher in the end of days, His will being carried out, your daily bread, or the conditions of your salvation anyway you want. Christ simply touches on the points your prayers should include.
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RE: Prayer?
August 3, 2012 at 7:19 pm
Quote:Unless you believe christ prayed that the fig tree would never bear fruit again before He cursed it
Oh, wait...wait...wait, Drippy. Let's get one thing crystal clear here. I am firmly of the opinion...based on the failure of clowns like you to produce any evidence that your god exists...that your pal jesus is nothing but a figment of your fucking imagination.
He did therefore not curse fig trees or walk on water or bring anybody back from the fucking dead...least of all himself. All of this is bullshit designed to impress idiots.
And I can see you are impressed.
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RE: Prayer?
August 3, 2012 at 7:33 pm
(August 3, 2012 at 7:19 pm)Minimalist Wrote: And I can see you are impressed.
Truthfully i am, so much so as you can see i started reading you posts again!!! Your current work is above and beyond the first few months of posts you directed my way.
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RE: Prayer?
August 3, 2012 at 7:34 pm
Drich Wrote:The lord's model of Prayer is an out line and not an actual prayer. many pray this as a prayer, and that what makes it a repetitious. As an outline one is free to fill in with whatever greeting, exultation, petition to have God usher in the end of days, His will being carried out, your daily bread, or the conditions of your salvation anyway you want. Christ simply touches on the points your prayers should include.
So, does it anger god to use this outline as an actual prayer?
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RE: Prayer?
August 3, 2012 at 7:47 pm
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(August 3, 2012 at 7:10 pm)Drich Wrote: The lord's model of Prayer is an out line and not an actual prayer. many pray this as a prayer, and that what makes it a repetitious. As an outline one is free to fill in with whatever greeting, exultation, petition to have God usher in the end of days, His will being carried out, your daily bread, or the conditions of your salvation anyway you want. Christ simply touches on the points your prayers should include.
Yeah, that's what we need, more jackasses making petitions so that the world might end before they do  . Have you ever consider how incredibly sinister that is? I mean really, really creepy....tiny glass window shit.
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RE: Prayer?
August 3, 2012 at 9:22 pm
(August 3, 2012 at 6:11 pm)Drich Wrote: What if the same mechinism that allows for freewill also caused all manner of suffering? (like cancer) Would you be willing to give up your free will to cure billy's cancer?
So this loving, all powerful deity can't figure out a way to allow free will without cancer being included as part of the package?
If that's the case, this deity is a moron.
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RE: Prayer?
August 3, 2012 at 9:59 pm
(August 3, 2012 at 7:34 pm)Faith No More Wrote: Drich Wrote:The lord's model of Prayer is an out line and not an actual prayer. many pray this as a prayer, and that what makes it a repetitious. As an outline one is free to fill in with whatever greeting, exultation, petition to have God usher in the end of days, His will being carried out, your daily bread, or the conditions of your salvation anyway you want. Christ simply touches on the points your prayers should include.
So, does it anger god to use this outline as an actual prayer?
No, it's just meaningless if you use it as a repetitious filler or chant. it is as harmless as a wishing cermony.
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RE: Prayer?
August 3, 2012 at 10:05 pm
Or a prayer, in fact.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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