A Real and Significant Biblical Contradiction?

[Cato]

I try to be polite; however, I have grown tired of this Biblical self-contradictory conversation. Why should anyone care if The Bible is self-contradicotry when it violates laws of nature and rapes the reasoning mind of man?

Spockrates, God lied when he gave Moses the cure for leprosy. Kililng one of two captured birds in an earthen vessel over running water is factually incapable of curing leprosy. You may now claim that Moses was just one of a long line of deceived prophets. Is this the inspred word of God? Or is it an example of the ignorant mindless drippings from a leader of a superstitious ignorant tribe inhabiting a small parcell of land over 2000 years ago in the Eastern Mediterranean?

[Lion IRC]

What cure for leprosy?

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Please dont say you're talking about this...

Levitucus 14:3-4 (NIV)
“The priest is to go outside the camp and examine him. If the person has been healed of his infectious skin disease the priest shall order that two live clean birds and some cedar wood, scarlet yarn and hyssop be brought for the one to be cleansed”


Note that the ….”if the person has BEEN healed” part comes before the ritual cleansing done - after a person has ALREADY deemed cured.

So its not the ritual which cures the leprosy.

Heres the KJV
“And the priest shall go forth out of the camp; and the priest shall look, and, behold, if the plague of leprosy be healed in the leper; Then shall the priest command to take for him that is to be cleansed two birds alive and clean, and cedar wood, and scarlet, and hyssop.”

Note that the priestly sacrifice (thanks giving) and ritual cleansing AFTER the person’s leprosy had already left them, also includes washing the persons’ CLOTHES.

You understand that clothing never died of leprosy dont you?

[Cato]

What cure for leprosy?

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Please dont say you're talking about this...

Levitucus 14:3-4 (NIV)
“The priest is to go outside the camp and examine him. If the person has been healed of his infectious skin disease the priest shall order that two live clean birds and some cedar wood, scarlet yarn and hyssop be brought for the one to be cleansed”


Note that the ….”if the person has BEEN healed” part comes before the ritual cleansing done - after a person has ALREADY deemed cured.

So its not the ritual which cures the leprosy.

Heres the KJV
“And the priest shall go forth out of the camp; and the priest shall look, and, behold, if the plague of leprosy be healed in the leper; Then shall the priest command to take for him that is to be cleansed two birds alive and clean, and cedar wood, and scarlet, and hyssop.”

Note that the priestly sacrifice (thanks giving) and ritual cleansing AFTER the person’s leprosy had already left them, also includes washing the persons’ CLOTHES.

You understand that clothing never died of leprosy dont you?

You're a fucking dolt. Instead of assuming that I have never read the Bible and endeavor to 'catch' me in some sort of ignorance...why don't you go read the entirety of Leviticus 14. For your stupid retort to have any meaning you now have to convince me that the priests must only carry out the ridiculous sacrifice for those found 'clean' of leprosy. So much for the germ theory of disease; apparently your God didn't know of this back in the day.

I understand that clothing never died of leprosy, but here's a little bit of trivia for you and your sky-cunt...nobody dies from leprosy!!!!

[spockrates]

[The Grand Nudger]

Oh ffs, first we immerse ourselves in this ghostly fantasy and now we imagine ourselves to be demi-gods fighting a hydra.

You should both look into playing a quality MMO, it'll engage the same parts of you that the narrative is clearly appealing to without all the nasty side effects.

[spockrates]

Oh ffs, first we immerse ourselves in this ghostly fantasy and now we imagine ourselves to be demi-gods fighting a hydra.

You should both look into playing a quality MMO, it'll engage the same parts of you that the narrative is clearly appealing to without all the nasty side effects.

STAY THIRSTY, MY FRIEND!



Actually, Iolaus was Hercules' nephew, but he was not a demigod. Guess the moral of that tale is that even a superhero sometimes needs the help of a normal person. Hercules likely could not have slayed the Lernaean Hydra without the help of his friend. How d'ya like that IP?

:p

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I can't believe that the flies are still circling this particular turd of a thread.

Beelzebub must be proud!





Now you did it! I'm craving a pulled-pork sandwich, and it's still two hours till lunch. (If only my ship would come in--I'd have Dinosaur BBQ catered every day.)

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I try to be polite; however, I have grown tired of this Biblical self-contradictory conversation. Why should anyone care if The Bible is self-contradicotry when it violates laws of nature and rapes the reasoning mind of man?

Spockrates, God lied when he gave Moses the cure for leprosy. Kililng one of two captured birds in an earthen vessel over running water is factually incapable of curing leprosy. You may now claim that Moses was just one of a long line of deceived prophets. Is this the inspred word of God? Or is it an example of the ignorant mindless drippings from a leader of a superstitious ignorant tribe inhabiting a small parcell of land over 2000 years ago in the Eastern Mediterranean?

Thanks for your opinion, Cato. I don't find your remark impolite at all! Glad you spoke up.



Does Moses say killing a bird is a cure for leprosy, or does he say killing a bird, cooking it and eating it was a ritual to seek the forgiveness of God before asking God to cure the leprosy? But if you want to prove Moses a false prophet, there is a way to do it many Christians would find acceptable: Prove that one of his predictions of the future never came true. According to Moses, this is the litmus test to determine who is a genuine prophet and who is not.


17 The Lord said to me: “What they say is good. 18 I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him. 19 If anyone does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name, I myself will call him to account. 20 But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded him to say, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, must be put to death.”

21 You may say to yourselves, “How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the Lord?” 22 If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the Lord does not take place or come true, that is a message the Lord has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him.

(Deuteronomy 18)


The reasoning seems to be that only a God who is omniscient (or perhaps exists in) the future knows the future. There are many hundreds of predictions of the future made by Old Testament prophets. Nearly every ancient city within a thousand-mile radius of Jerusalem had its history predicted by these men who claimed to be God's spokespersons. All you have to do is prove one false to show the prophet who uttered it had no business saying God spoke to him.

[Lion IRC]

What cure for leprosy?

---

Please dont say you're talking about this...

Levitucus 14:3-4 (NIV)
“The priest is to go outside the camp and examine him. If the person has been healed of his infectious skin disease the priest shall order that two live clean birds and some cedar wood, scarlet yarn and hyssop be brought for the one to be cleansed”


Note that the ….”if the person has BEEN healed” part comes before the ritual cleansing done - after a person has ALREADY deemed cured.

So its not the ritual which cures the leprosy.

Heres the KJV
“And the priest shall go forth out of the camp; and the priest shall look, and, behold, if the plague of leprosy be healed in the leper; Then shall the priest command to take for him that is to be cleansed two birds alive and clean, and cedar wood, and scarlet, and hyssop.”

Note that the priestly sacrifice (thanks giving) and ritual cleansing AFTER the person’s leprosy had already left them, also includes washing the persons’ CLOTHES.

You understand that clothing never died of leprosy dont you?

You're a fucking dolt. Instead of assuming that I have never read the Bible and endeavor to 'catch' me in some sort of ignorance...why don't you go read the entirety of Leviticus 14. For your stupid retort to have any meaning you now have to convince me that the priests must only carry out the ridiculous sacrifice for those found 'clean' of leprosy. So much for the germ theory of disease; apparently your God didn't know of this back in the day.

I understand that clothing never died of leprosy, but here's a little bit of trivia for you and your sky-cunt...nobody dies from leprosy!!!!

Excuse me?

Whatever made you think I was trying to catch you in some sort of ignorance?

You seem very defensive.

Anyway, I went and read Leviticus as you instructed. Thanks.

ITS AMAZING! hock:

How did they know so much about sanitation and control of infectious disease? They didnt have microscopes.

CLEANSING OF RESIDENCE:
The house or home of the infected person needs to be cleaned thoroughly (Leviticus 14:33-53).

DWELLINGS:
Wash everything, especially to cleanse from the presence of any contagions or if a diseased person has been present (Leviticus 14:8-9).

EXPOSURE:
Wash your whole body and your clothing if you have been around anyone with a disease of a bodliy issue, discharge, or sneezing (Leviticus 15:1-12).

UTENSILS:
Wash your cooking instruments, pots, and tools after every use--and don't mix equipment used on raw meat with other foods without washing them first (Leviticus 6:28).

CONTAINMENT, ISOLATION, QUARANTINE:
One of the best lines of biological defense is to contain the disease by isolating those who are infected from those who are not. (Leviticus 13:4-5, 26, 31).

I think you've been duped by a Hitchens canard about the Children of Israel not possessing a germ theory of disease - when in fact they were doing stuff thousands of years ahead of their time.

Mr Hitchens once stood up in front of a big audience in Australia and mocked the Patriarch Abraham as an illiterate goat hearder.

And he got a lot of laughs from the "some sort of ignorance" crowd.

But the only people laughing were folk who were ignorant of the fact that Abraham and is family were from - perhaps the largest city in the world at that time - Ur in Mesopotamia.

...where writing was invented!

[Anomalocaris]

What's amazing is your infantile impressionability. Even some Christians are less infantile than you.

[Lion IRC]

Now watch how I do it cato123.

See how I dont leap up and assume this post is at me.
Because when someone walks in the room posts something like this,

What's amazing is your infantile impressionability. Even some Christians are less infantile than you.

...you can easily let it slide.

If you instantly jump into the thread and blurt out....''HEY are you calling me "some sort of ignorant...blah blah blah"

....you are electing to associate yourself with that vague slur. It's like apologizing when you didnt do anything.

If you just let it go and dont respond, nothing bad happens.

[Oldandeasilyconfused]