Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: March 28, 2024, 2:33 pm

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Sacrifices are sick! Contradiction Alert!!!
#11
RE: Sacrifices are sick! Contradiction Alert!!!
What a #@!#!@#!


I mean seriously Catfish, you're like the worst kind of religious nutbag around. You pick and choose the parts you like and the parts you don't like and then back up your choice with nothing more than your own personal theories. One day you're defending the bible and the very next you're tearing it down. It's just fucking weird man.

Even Godschild doesn't hold a candle to you, you nut case.
[Image: Evolution.png]

Reply
#12
RE: Sacrifices are sick! Contradiction Alert!!!
(August 5, 2012 at 9:40 am)spockrates Wrote: Oh, I don't know that we're any better today. Even modern slaughterhouses are pretty sick! To be fair, the ancient Jewish people usually cooked and ate the sacrificed livestock and birds.

But I'm sure there are vegetarians who agree that no killing of an animal (ancient, or modern) is acceptable.

Yes, I'm aware of that. I figure that "law" was created to feed the ppl. I like that aspect of it. The Israelites had a lot of "laws" that were designed to help the needy.

So, what do you think of the contradiction I pointed out?

(August 5, 2012 at 9:43 am)Cinjin Wrote: What a #@!#!@#!


I mean seriously Catfish, you're like the worst kind of religious nutbag around. You pick and choose the parts you like and the parts you don't like and then back up your choice with nothing more than your own personal theories. One day you're defending the bible and the very next you're tearing it down. It's just fucking weird man.

Even Godschild doesn't hold a candle to you, you nut case.

You're welcome to form your own beliefs. Too bad your anti-biblical rants don't hold water when someone thinks for themselves.
Reply
#13
RE: Sacrifices are sick! Contradiction Alert!!!
(August 5, 2012 at 9:43 am)Cinjin Wrote: What a #@!#!@#!


I mean seriously Catfish, you're like the worst kind of religious nutbag around. You pick and choose the parts you like and the parts you don't like and then back up your choice with nothing more than your own personal theories. One day you're defending the bible and the very next you're tearing it down. It's just fucking weird man.

Even Godschild doesn't hold a candle to you, you nut case.

I'd say he's intellectually honest. A Christian who is willing to question his own beliefs is better than one who lives by the code: "My religion, right or wrong."

(August 5, 2012 at 9:52 am)catfish Wrote:
(August 5, 2012 at 9:40 am)spockrates Wrote: Oh, I don't know that we're any better today. Even modern slaughterhouses are pretty sick! To be fair, the ancient Jewish people usually cooked and ate the sacrificed livestock and birds.

But I'm sure there are vegetarians who agree that no killing of an animal (ancient, or modern) is acceptable.

Yes, I'm aware of that. I figure that "law" was created to feed the ppl. I like that aspect of it. The Israelites had a lot of "laws" that were designed to help the needy.

So, what do you think of the contradiction I pointed out?

I'm not sure what I think, because I don't see the contradiction, yet. Please elaborate.

Smile
"If you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains (no matter how improbable) must be the truth."

--Spock
Reply
#14
RE: Sacrifices are sick! Contradiction Alert!!!
(August 5, 2012 at 9:53 am)spockrates Wrote: I'm not sure what I think, because I don't see the contradiction, yet. Please elaborate.

Smile

Re-read the OP. If you can't see the contradiction, I don't think you ever will.
Reply
#15
RE: Sacrifices are sick! Contradiction Alert!!!
OK, please allow me to use a more modern translation, which is easier for my small mind to understand:

4 The Lord said to Moses, 2 “Say to the Israelites: ‘When anyone sins unintentionally and does what is forbidden in any of the Lord’s commands -- 3 “‘If the anointed priest sins, bringing guilt on the people, he must bring to the Lord a young bull without defect as a sin offering for the sin he has committed. 4 He is to present the bull at the entrance to the Tent of Meeting before the Lord. He is to lay his hand on its head and slaughter it before the Lord.

(Leviticus 4)

This passage say to me that is a priest commits a sin that he did not know was a sin at the time he committed it, he must sacrifice an animal to atone for that sin, after he later realizes what he did was wrong.

21 “‘This is what the Lord Almighty, the God of Israel, says: Go ahead, add your burnt offerings to your other sacrifices and eat the meat yourselves! 22 For when I brought your forefathers out of Egypt and spoke to them, I did not just give them commands about burnt offerings and sacrifices, 23 but I gave them this command: Obey me, and I will be your God and you will be my people. Walk in all the ways I command you, that it may go well with you. 24 But they did not listen or pay attention; instead, they followed the stubborn inclinations of their evil hearts. They went backward and not forward. 25 From the time your forefathers left Egypt until now, day after day, again and again I sent you my servants the prophets. 26 But they did not listen to me or pay attention. They were stiff-necked and did more evil than their forefathers.’

(Jeremiah 7)

This passage says to me the sacrifices were necessary, but not sufficient. It's not enough to seek forgiveness and then hypocritically continue to do wrong. Faith is not enough to save someone from God's judgment. One must also repent and try to obey God.

Jeremiah does not say do good but don't seek forgiveness. He instead says do good AND seek forgiveness. So I see no contradiction, yet.

Smile
"If you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains (no matter how improbable) must be the truth."

--Spock
Reply
#16
RE: Sacrifices are sick! Contradiction Alert!!!
(August 5, 2012 at 10:22 am)spockrates Wrote: OK, please allow me to use a more modern translation, which is easier for my small mind to understand:

4 The Lord said to Moses, 2 “Say to the Israelites: ‘When anyone sins unintentionally and does what is forbidden in any of the Lord’s commands -- 3 “‘If the anointed priest sins, bringing guilt on the people, he must bring to the Lord a young bull without defect as a sin offering for the sin he has committed. 4 He is to present the bull at the entrance to the Tent of Meeting before the Lord. He is to lay his hand on its head and slaughter it before the Lord.

(Leviticus 4)

This passage say to me that is a priest commits a sin that he did not know was a sin at the time he committed it, he must sacrifice an animal to atone for that sin, after he later realizes what he did was wrong.

21 “‘This is what the Lord Almighty, the God of Israel, says: Go ahead, add your burnt offerings to your other sacrifices and eat the meat yourselves! 22 For when I brought your forefathers out of Egypt and spoke to them, I did not just give them commands about burnt offerings and sacrifices, 23 but I gave them this command: Obey me, and I will be your God and you will be my people. Walk in all the ways I command you, that it may go well with you. 24 But they did not listen or pay attention; instead, they followed the stubborn inclinations of their evil hearts. They went backward and not forward. 25 From the time your forefathers left Egypt until now, day after day, again and again I sent you my servants the prophets. 26 But they did not listen to me or pay attention. They were stiff-necked and did more evil than their forefathers.’

(Jeremiah 7)

This passage says to me the sacrifices were necessary, but not sufficient. It's not enough to seek forgiveness and then hypocritically continue to do wrong. Faith is not enough to save someone from God's judgment. One must also repent and try to obey God.

Jeremiah does not say do good but don't seek forgiveness. He instead says do good AND seek forgiveness. So I see no contradiction, yet.

Smile

http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInter...f/jer7.pdf
Reply
#17
RE: Sacrifices are sick! Contradiction Alert!!!
(August 5, 2012 at 10:26 am)catfish Wrote:
(August 5, 2012 at 10:22 am)spockrates Wrote: OK, please allow me to use a more modern translation, which is easier for my small mind to understand:

4 The Lord said to Moses, 2 “Say to the Israelites: ‘When anyone sins unintentionally and does what is forbidden in any of the Lord’s commands -- 3 “‘If the anointed priest sins, bringing guilt on the people, he must bring to the Lord a young bull without defect as a sin offering for the sin he has committed. 4 He is to present the bull at the entrance to the Tent of Meeting before the Lord. He is to lay his hand on its head and slaughter it before the Lord.

(Leviticus 4)

This passage say to me that is a priest commits a sin that he did not know was a sin at the time he committed it, he must sacrifice an animal to atone for that sin, after he later realizes what he did was wrong.

21 “‘This is what the Lord Almighty, the God of Israel, says: Go ahead, add your burnt offerings to your other sacrifices and eat the meat yourselves! 22 For when I brought your forefathers out of Egypt and spoke to them, I did not just give them commands about burnt offerings and sacrifices, 23 but I gave them this command: Obey me, and I will be your God and you will be my people. Walk in all the ways I command you, that it may go well with you. 24 But they did not listen or pay attention; instead, they followed the stubborn inclinations of their evil hearts. They went backward and not forward. 25 From the time your forefathers left Egypt until now, day after day, again and again I sent you my servants the prophets. 26 But they did not listen to me or pay attention. They were stiff-necked and did more evil than their forefathers.’

(Jeremiah 7)

This passage says to me the sacrifices were necessary, but not sufficient. It's not enough to seek forgiveness and then hypocritically continue to do wrong. Faith is not enough to save someone from God's judgment. One must also repent and try to obey God.

Jeremiah does not say do good but don't seek forgiveness. He instead says do good AND seek forgiveness. So I see no contradiction, yet.

Smile

http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInter...f/jer7.pdf

Using a smart phone with a poor connection. Downloading a PDF is not an option, at the moment. But thanks, anyway.

Smile
"If you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains (no matter how improbable) must be the truth."

--Spock
Reply
#18
RE: Sacrifices are sick! Contradiction Alert!!!
(August 5, 2012 at 9:52 am)catfish Wrote: You're welcome to form your own beliefs. Too bad your anti-biblical rants don't hold water when someone thinks for themselves.

MY anti-biblical rants??? MINE???

Man, you currently have two threads bashing the bible by pointing out contradictions.
I wasn't bashing the bible (this time), I was questioning you. Where exactly do you stand??? Are you christian, a believer in the bible, a heathen? Don't project your crazy onto me. You're the one playing both sides whenever it suits you.
[Image: Evolution.png]

Reply
#19
RE: Sacrifices are sick! Contradiction Alert!!!
(August 5, 2012 at 6:45 am)catfish Wrote: And also not Biblical.

I don't care if it's "in" the Bible, sacrifices are one of the sickest things I could imagine. Sacrifice is a pussie's cop-out for accountability.

But anyways, here's some verses that'll leave a few ppl reeling with anger.

Leviticus 4:1-4
King James Version (KJV)
1 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,
2 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a soul shall sin through ignorance against any of the commandments of the Lord concerning things which ought not to be done, and shall do against any of them:
3 If the priest that is anointed do sin according to the sin of the people; then let him bring for his sin, which he hath sinned, a young bullock without blemish unto the Lord for a sin offering.
4 And he shall bring the bullock unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation before the Lord; and shall lay his hand upon the bullock's head, and kill the bullock before the Lord.


Notice how the verse above specifies "sin through ignorance", this is an unintentional sin, not a willful sin. Willful sins were to be atoned for through supplication, prayer and repentance.

And now for the verses that directly contradict the above verses:

Jeremiah 7:21-23
King James Version (KJV)
21 Thus saith the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel; Put your burnt offerings unto your sacrifices, and eat flesh.
22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:
23 But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.

I've appearently been indoctrinated and do not see a contradiction here. Could you point it out as you would to a child.
Reply
#20
RE: Sacrifices are sick! Contradiction Alert!!!
(August 6, 2012 at 4:42 pm)Drich Wrote: I've appearently been indoctrinated and do not see a contradiction here. Could you point it out as you would to a child.

Sure I can do that. But who's child? Yours?

"Your gonna believe what I said or God will burn you in Hell for etenity!" (that's sarcasm, not meant to be mean)
Reply



Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  Is this a contradiction or am I reading it wrong? Genesis 5:28 Ferrocyanide 110 9013 April 10, 2023 at 3:32 pm
Last Post: Ferrocyanide
  Contradiction or Forgetfulness Ferrocyanide 11 1386 February 16, 2022 at 8:54 pm
Last Post: Ferrocyanide
  I'm sick and tired of Christianity Der/die AtheistIn 73 10272 December 29, 2017 at 4:04 pm
Last Post: GUBU
  Dr. Craig contradiction. Jehanne 121 25439 November 13, 2017 at 3:24 pm
Last Post: Harry Nevis
  Christians Make Me Sick ~ Eve th Nice Ones Rhondazvous 16 3244 May 17, 2016 at 11:50 am
Last Post: Rhondazvous
  Chick Tract ALERT !!! vorlon13 21 3905 May 3, 2016 at 11:34 am
Last Post: Huggy Bear
  A Contradiction of Coercions Can We Have a Christian Explaination? Jenny A 26 8535 July 27, 2015 at 2:56 am
Last Post: robvalue
  Are you sick of hearing about Jesus? Pizza 50 8633 July 21, 2015 at 9:22 pm
Last Post: KevinM1
  Antichrist Alert!!!! Coming Sept 2015!!!!! JesusHChrist 28 7481 March 5, 2015 at 6:56 pm
Last Post: dyresand
  Vatican on Alert - ISIS Threat JesusHChrist 70 18077 January 25, 2015 at 3:44 pm
Last Post: dyresand



Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)