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RE: why there is a need to see in order to believe?
October 12, 2012 at 9:32 pm
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(October 12, 2012 at 9:25 pm)wkl6644 Wrote: Prerequisite for believing the unseen is logic. Imagine you are blind and can't see a thing. Would you believe a car can't stand on its own with 2 tires. So you would logic instead since u can't see . Then you draw a logical conclusion without even seeing. Since It makes sense you start believing it No
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RE: why there is a need to see in order to believe?
October 12, 2012 at 9:40 pm
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(October 12, 2012 at 9:25 pm)wkl6644 Wrote: Prerequisite for believing the unseen is logic. Imagine you are blind and can't see a thing. Would you believe a car can't stand on its own with 2 tires. So you would logic instead since u can't see . Then you draw a logical conclusion without even seeing. Since It makes sense you start believing it
Yeah, and god doesn't make sense. God isn't simply unseen, he is unseeable. No on can ever see god...
Exodus 33:20- But,” he said, “you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live.”
John 1:18- No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.
...except when they can:
Exodus 24:9-11 - "Moses and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and the seventy elders of Israel went up 10 and saw the God of Israel. Under his feet was something like a pavement made of lapis lazuli, as bright blue as the sky. 11 But God did not raise his hand against these leaders of the Israelites; they saw God, and they ate and drank."
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RE: why there is a need to see in order to believe?
October 12, 2012 at 10:08 pm
(October 12, 2012 at 9:40 pm)Darkstar Wrote: Exodus 33:20- But,” he said, “you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live.” Is that not a line from a gangster movie?
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RE: why there is a need to see in order to believe?
October 12, 2012 at 10:10 pm
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Darkstar
Quotes from corrupted Bible can't be used here to corroborate your argument. I. Am not a believer in christianity.
Jonb
try use that picture to a blind person to make him believe. I bet u cant. He needs logic to-be convinced
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RE: why there is a need to see in order to believe?
October 12, 2012 at 10:16 pm
(October 12, 2012 at 10:08 pm)IATIA Wrote: (October 12, 2012 at 9:40 pm)Darkstar Wrote: Exodus 33:20- But,” he said, “you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live.” Is that not a line from a gangster movie?
Yes, one of the tree got off, and some religious bloke took the wrap, but they tacked on this crappy ending.
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RE: why there is a need to see in order to believe?
October 12, 2012 at 10:18 pm
Guess what would happen if God make himself seeable. Try a few guess using you so claimed high iq brain before I elaborate more
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RE: why there is a need to see in order to believe?
October 12, 2012 at 10:19 pm
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(October 12, 2012 at 10:10 pm)wkl6644 Wrote: Darkstar
Quotes from corrupted Bible can't be used here to corroborate your argument. I. Am not a believer in christianity.
I know you started the thread, but I wasn't targeting you specifically. I was just making the point, since christianity is the most mainstream religion. By the way, if you don't believe in christianity, and simply label yourself a monotheist, do you believe in a sort of generic god?
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RE: why there is a need to see in order to believe?
October 12, 2012 at 10:25 pm
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You would be shitting in your pants if ghost make himself visible infront of you. What more do you expect if supreme being shows up to deliver the message.
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RE: why there is a need to see in order to believe?
October 12, 2012 at 10:25 pm
(October 12, 2012 at 10:18 pm)wkl6644 Wrote: Guess what would happen if God make himself seeable. Try a few guess using you so claimed high iq brain before I elaborate more
I know! I know! I know!
We'd see him!
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-- George Yorgo Veenhuyzen quoted by John W. Loftus in The End of Christianity (p. 103).
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RE: why there is a need to see in order to believe?
October 12, 2012 at 10:26 pm
(October 12, 2012 at 10:25 pm)wkl6644 Wrote: Minimalist
You would be shitting in your pants if ghost make himself visible infront of you. What more do you expect if supreme being shows up to deliver the message.
We'll cross that bridge when we get there. So far no supreme being has showed up.
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