Why do christians think god communicates with warm fuzzy feelings instead of direct verbal speach?

[Norfolk And Chance]

He does. as i said it starts with feelings and matures into direction.

It's been my experience that The Holy Spirit speaks to us the whole time, we just don't know how to listen. It isn't until we learn to follow what God has told us to do, that we learn to hear/listen to the Holy Spirit.

I totally agree with this post. The holy spirit is always speaking. He's always guiding and leading us. listening to the holy spirit is a art. You have to learn his ways and his voice before you can truly here him accurately.

The only spirit that you hear is YOU.

[pocaracas]

He does. as i said it starts with feelings and matures into direction.

It's been my experience that The Holy Spirit speaks to us the whole time, we just don't know how to listen. It isn't until we learn to follow what God has told us to do, that we learn to hear/listen to the Holy Spirit.

I totally agree with this post. The holy spirit is always speaking. He's always guiding and leading us. listening to the holy spirit is a art. You have to learn his ways and his voice before you can truly here him accurately.

I smell a poe...

[Brakeman]

He does. as i said it starts with feelings and matures into direction.

It's been my experience that The Holy Spirit speaks to us the whole time, we just don't know how to listen. It isn't until we learn to follow what God has told us to do, that we learn to hear/listen to the Holy Spirit.

I totally agree with this post. The holy spirit is always speaking. He's always guiding and leading us. listening to the holy spirit is a art. You have to learn his ways and his voice before you can truly here him accurately.

It makes no sense for the holy spirit to require a magic decoder ring or a special sensitive technique in order to communicate with his followers.
If a rational holy ghost wanted to talk to you it simply would in the fashion seen so many times in the bible. If it didn't want to talk to you it just wouldn't. The Gnosticism technique of which you and Drich seem to employ was thrown out of the church quite a few centuries ago. The masons revel in codes and secrets too.

Again, why can my dog communicate more clearly and more effectively than your holy spirit? If the holy spirit had a nugget of wisdom to impart into you, why wouldn't the message be godly perfectly clear? Con men have need for secrets, the honest love the light of day.

You and Drich are probably not the only two "real christians" in the world. If the holy spirit guided all the real christians once a year even, we would be sure to see such a statistically massive difference in good effects among society. Yet this is not seen. Christians become criminals and divorce just as much as any other population set, if not a bit more. American atheists have better metrics than the christians, how is that possible with even an inkling of divine guidance?

[Drich]

I totally agree with this post. The holy spirit is always speaking. He's always guiding and leading us. listening to the holy spirit is a art. You have to learn his ways and his voice before you can truly here him accurately.

The only spirit that you hear is YOU.

...And you know this because when you hear a 'spirit' it is you? When did you become the bench mark of everything in all of Creation? How do you know the universe does not extend beyond what you and people like you understand it to be and set limits on? Do you often claim the "Earth is flat" much? Same principle. The reason people believed the earth was flat was because they were using their current understandings as the benchmark for the whole of Creation. Different variables, same mentality.

[Kousbroek]

The only spirit that you hear is YOU.

...And you know this because when you hear a 'spirit' it is you? When did you become the bench mark of everything in all of Creation? How do you know the universe does not extend beyond what you and people like you understand it to be and set limits on? Do you often claim the "Earth is flat" much? Same principle. The reason people believed the earth was flat was because they were using their current understandings as the benchmark for the whole of Creation. Different variables, same mentality.

*input error* *explain creation*

[Minimalist]

Now I see your problem. You believe the God who....blah .. blah .. blah ..

No i don't believe in your bullshit and you are still an idiot ( no irony or sarcasm intended, just means you are an idiot ... )

At least Drippy is consistent. He's been an idiot since Day #1.

[Drich]

It makes no sense for the holy spirit to require a magic decoder ring or a special sensitive technique in order to communicate with his followers.

That is why Christ Gave us the parable of the talents/Bags of Gold in Mt. 25 and in luke 19. So that something like the principle of rewarding faithfulness with More in the way of spiritual gifts does make sense.

If a rational holy ghost wanted to talk to you it simply would in the fashion seen so many times in the bible.

Who did the Holy Ghost speak to that did not want anything to do with God? The Pharasees fit that bill (Meaning their was plenty of oppertunity) but did not ever speak to one of them directly or rather did not speak to them in a way the directly understood.

If it didn't want to talk to you it just wouldn't. The Gnosticism technique of which you and Drich seem to employ was thrown out of the church quite a few centuries ago. The masons revel in codes and secrets too.

StrawMan. Your ignoring what has been said in favor of your own repersentation of the arguements presented.

Again, why can my dog communicate more clearly and more effectively than your holy spirit?

Because you love you dog and try and make an effort to understand him.

If the holy spirit had a nugget of wisdom to impart into you, why wouldn't the message be godly perfectly clear?

It is, and further more it is in plain sight. For everything 'revealed' has already been written down in the bible. Do you honestly think i have anything new to offer here? Everything I say is just a different look at the same old bible. That what the Holy Spirit does for us on a personal level. It takes a principle that has already been established in scripture and breaks it down for you and writes it on your heart so YOU can understand with or without a teacher.

You and Drich are probably not the only two "real christians" in the world. If the holy spirit guided all the real christians once a year even, we would be sure to see such a statistically massive difference in good effects among society. Yet this is not seen. Christians become criminals and divorce just as much as any other population set, if not a bit more. American atheists have better metrics than the christians, how is that possible with even an inkling of divine guidance?

Because you have altered the standard in which righteousness is measured. (It is not hard to hit the bar when you lower it first.) For if it were where god set it then None one could reach it. "Divine guidance" is just thier to show you that you Can not ever reach the standard of God so as a sinner we must yeild to the attonement offered. That is why you will find the big sinners" reaching out to God before the self righteous who think it possiable to obtain a perfect or acceptable level of 'morality.'

[Norfolk And Chance]

The only spirit that you hear is YOU.

...And you know this because when you hear a 'spirit' it is you?

OK, I'll try and keep it simple...there is zero evidence for gods or spirits, let alone them having an ability to talk to you via the means of a voice in your head. Therefore, we can conclude that the only voice you can hear is your own inner voice, hence my comment "The only spirit that you hear is YOU". OK?

When did you become the bench mark of everything in all of Creation? How do you know the universe does not extend beyond what you and people like you understand it to be and set limits on? Do you often claim the "Earth is flat" much? Same principle. The reason people believed the earth was flat was because they were using their current understandings as the benchmark for the whole of Creation. Different variables, same mentality.

Irrelevant, rambling, theistic waffle, that nobody gives a fuck about.

[Drich]

He does. as i said it starts with feelings and matures into direction.

It's been my experience that The Holy Spirit speaks to us the whole time, we just don't know how to listen. It isn't until we learn to follow what God has told us to do, that we learn to hear/listen to the Holy Spirit.So where is the biblical support for this communication development? Moses, Peter, Paul, and the other characters in the bible did not communicate with god in this severely retarded fashion. Do you have any basis for assuming that this is how god speaks to christians now other than your own "warm feelings?"

are you serious?

Peter, or petra was called 'rock' by Jesus because He was Hard headed and had to learn things the hard way. He failed in his faith many times (On the storm tossed sea, when he chopped dudes ear off in the garden, before the cock crowed, at the foot of the cross) and everytime His faith left him God allowed him to sink or fall or whatever consenquence his action took the holy Spirit did not pick Him up nor correct him. When he failed he was allowed to Fall. Perhaps that is why He contributes relitivly little to the NT as a whole.

Paul was struck Blind for a time so he could see the short commings in his faith. Outside the one on one He had with Christ we do not have any example of the Holy Spirit speaking with him directly. He institued or defined Spiritual Fruit and the doctrine of Spiritual gifts, (which is what I have based my teaching one here coupled with what Christ had said on the subject.) Which you identified as 'retarded'

Furthermore, My dog can communicate better with me than your god can communicate with you. I know when he wants to stay, go out, or when he's hungry. Yet you think because you had feelings that you should stay with your wife in keeping up with your marriage vows and bowing to societal pressure that the feeling must have been a message from god.
It sounds to me that it could just as easily been a bad burrito.

That's sad. Because it sounds like you have invested more time with your dog than you have with trying to reach out to God.

How could the christian who authored the gospel of matthew have received the detail of the story and words from his divine inspirer if he could not receive any message from god any clearer than "feelings and direction?" Was he a fundamentally different type of christian than yourself?

Matthew was one of the twelve. He witnessed what recorded.

I would like you to explain why every christian I know backs down into the same hole you do when confronted with the question of how god communicates to you.

Could you identify that hole for me?

Despite the fact that it is obvious that the bible stories could not have been relayed through the authors in such a fashion and that bible itself doesn't state god's future communication methods, you seem unable to grasp the whole of the problem.

Do you not understand or rather have you not read the story of the talents before?
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?sea...ersion=ERV

Mat 25:14-30

I posted that so you can see from the wrod of Christ Himself that we are not all equall bless or rather we are not all given to the same level of understanding as a Peter or Paul would have been. we are only to be faithful to what we have been given. For it is by this measure we are judged and not by the standard one perceives A Peter or a Paul to have obtained.

If god doesn't talk to you in anything but warm fuzzy feelings, then it's likely that god doesn't talk to anyone with anything different either.

What are you talking about? When did Iu ever say this? Matter of Fact I posted a link to a direct conversation (oneway) I was apart of with a 'Messenger of God.'

If god never speaks to people directly in words now, he probably never did, and the bible is simply horseshit that the authors wanted to get others to believe for their own goals. They were con artists and you have been their flunky.

How is it you post a topic and do not read what people actually say? How can you just ignore everything that you do not agree with? Is it a failure of reading comperhension or is it intelectual dishonesty? Maybe go back and reread some of what has been said already before you pipe up again in your own thread! I can understand how a person does not read every line in a massive thread belong to someone else, but this is your mess. You are obligated to know what has been said, and as such bear a responsiablity to respond with topicial on point discussion, rather than just spouting off at what you think is going on.

I gave a very specific example Of God communicating a very Direct message to me in a way consistant with the biblical examples.

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OK, I'll try and keep it simple...there is zero evidence for gods or spirits, let alone them having an ability to talk to you via the means of a voice in your head. Therefore, we can conclude that the only voice you can hear is your own inner voice, hence my comment "The only spirit that you hear is YOU". OK?

What does evidence of God look like? What can one produce that can not be explained away by someone who does not want to believe in said evidence? If you can not give an example of what you are looking for in the way of 'evidence' Then how can you say their is zero evidence? How would you know if you saw it or not?

[Kousbroek]

That is why Christ Gave us..spiritual gifts does make sense....

...For everything 'revealed' has already been written down in the bible...

....Divine guidance...'

Dude i don't know what you've been smoking, but i definitely want some of that stuff ...