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November 28, 2012 at 5:19 pm
(November 28, 2012 at 5:10 pm)alwayson Wrote: ... Dawkins just says scientists are working on it, which makes western atheists look weak.
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Weak? More like humble.
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November 28, 2012 at 5:20 pm
(November 28, 2012 at 5:18 pm)Chuck Wrote: (November 28, 2012 at 5:10 pm)alwayson Wrote: Dawkins is always drawn into a losing argument about the beginning of the universe. Dawkins just says scientists are working on it, which makes western atheists look weak.
Naturally to idiots like you those who make up shit to cover their ignorance is strong, where as those who admits to not knowing, and having admitted it, can actually start to find out, looks weak.
Go fuck yourself. Not as an illusion but shove a real stick up your real ass.
Science will never explain the beginning of the universe, because there is no beginning.
Even from a common sense standpoint, Big Bang has previous causes, which itself has previous causes, which itself has previous causes, which has previous causes, which has previous causes, which has previous causes etc.
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RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist.
November 28, 2012 at 5:21 pm
(November 28, 2012 at 4:24 pm)alwayson Wrote: Science will never explain the beginning of the universe, because there is no beginning.
Even from a common sense standpoint, Big Bang has previous causes, which itself has previous causes, which itself has previous causes, which has previous causes, which has previous causes, which has previous causes etc.
Great.
I look forward to reading your evidence that you no doubt have to back these extraordinary claims up.
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November 28, 2012 at 5:21 pm
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(November 28, 2012 at 5:20 pm)alwayson Wrote: Science will never explain the beginning of the universe, because there is no beginning.
Even from a common sense standpoint, Big Bang has previous causes, which itself has previous causes, which itself has previous causes, which has previous causes, which has previous causes, which has previous causes etc.
chanting an idiotic mantra won't help you.
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RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist.
November 28, 2012 at 5:23 pm
(November 28, 2012 at 5:20 pm)alwayson Wrote: Science will never explain the beginning of the universe, because there is no beginning.
Even from a common sense standpoint, Big Bang has previous causes, which itself has previous causes, which itself has previous causes, which has previous causes, which has previous causes, which has previous causes etc.
Ooooooooooooooooohm. Again I have to ask "So what, can you?"
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November 28, 2012 at 5:27 pm
(November 28, 2012 at 5:23 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Ooooooooooooooooohm. Again I have to ask "So what, can you?"
I don't claim the universe exists. See post 1.
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November 28, 2012 at 5:29 pm
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Whether or not you claim it has what do to do with whether or not it does? On a related note, why criticize science for failing to explain things (to whatever standard you feel it's failed to explain them) if you are in a similar position (for whatever reason)?
Sure, you've avoided the question...and science has tackled it head on (owning it's shortcomings). What room is there for criticizing this? To put this next to your comments on buddhism..is this what buddhism might teach people..how to avoid a question? I'm not sure how useful that's supposed to be. You haven't avoided it in any case, you simply refuse to address it. The question itself remains.
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November 28, 2012 at 5:29 pm
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(November 28, 2012 at 5:20 pm)alwayson Wrote: Science will never explain the beginning of the universe, because there is no beginning.
Even from a common sense standpoint, Big Bang has previous causes, which itself has previous causes, which itself has previous causes, which has previous causes, which has previous causes, which has previous causes etc.
Ok, now you've made a truth claim about the Universe. Remember that you are now in the hotseat for demonstrating this claim. Go ahead; we're listening.
(November 28, 2012 at 5:27 pm)alwayson Wrote: I don't claim the universe exists. See post 1.
Wait, what? Now we're into really interesting territory! Ok, so you don't claim the Universe exists. What steps can we take to determine whether or not it does exist?
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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November 28, 2012 at 5:33 pm
(November 28, 2012 at 5:29 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Whether or not you claim it has what do to do with whether or not it does? On a related note, why criticize science for failing to explain things (to whatever standard you feel it's failed to explain them) if you are in a similar position (for whatever reason)?
Yes the onus is on you to back up your claim that the universe exists. .
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November 28, 2012 at 5:34 pm
(November 28, 2012 at 5:13 pm)alwayson Wrote: There is no Creation, [...]
Full stop. That's a positive claim. Yep, you've made no claim that the universe exists, on the contrary, you've made a positive, naked assertion that it doesn't.
Prove it.
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