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RE: Jesus, Least Fit Moral Judge
January 17, 2013 at 11:49 am
(January 17, 2013 at 9:46 am)Brian37 Wrote: Please explain to us how we are sheep? Because we don't swallow invisible friend claims as a default position? Or because we value evidence before adapting a position?
If any of you valued "evidence", then I'm fairly certain that none of you, except for the incredibly stupid, would ever make the claim that the Bible teaches "eternal" torment...
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RE: Jesus, Least Fit Moral Judge
January 17, 2013 at 2:30 pm
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Valuing evidence has very little sway on any religious claim, as there is none to be found within.
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RE: Jesus, Least Fit Moral Judge
January 17, 2013 at 6:32 pm
(January 17, 2013 at 2:30 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Valuing evidence has very little sway on any religious claim, as there is none to be found within.
It was a literary claim. But then again, what do you care about reality...
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RE: Jesus, Least Fit Moral Judge
January 17, 2013 at 8:21 pm
(January 16, 2013 at 11:20 pm)catfish Wrote: Oh no, I will NOT be spoon feeding you knowledge. That is something you must do for yourself...
"I don't actually know."
Quote:Clearly Hell was meant for Satan and his fallen brother to be punished for eternity. whether Man shares that fate will ultimatly be upto God.
God has chosen!
Daniel 12:2
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
Matthew 13:41-42
The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Matthew 18:8-9
If thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.
Matthew 22:13
Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness, there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Matthew 25:41, 46
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels. ... And these shall go away into everlasting punishment.
Mark 9:43-48
... into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
Luke 16:22-24
And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
John 5:28-29
The hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
2 Thessalonians 1:8-9
In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction.
Revelation 14:10-11
The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever.
Revelation
20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Proverbs 16:4
The Lord hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.
John 12:40
He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.
Romans 9:18
Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
2 Thessalonians 2:11-12
God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned.
I march against the Asagods
To bring the end of time.
I am pure and endless pain
And Surtr is my name.
See me rise, the mighty Surt,
Destroyer of the universe.
Bringer of flames and endless hurt
Scorcher of men and Earth.
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RE: Jesus, Least Fit Moral Judge
January 17, 2013 at 8:30 pm
(January 17, 2013 at 8:21 pm)Surtr Wrote: (January 16, 2013 at 11:20 pm)catfish Wrote: Oh no, I will NOT be spoon feeding you knowledge. That is something you must do for yourself...
"I don't actually know."
LOL, I know more than you can imagine...
Keep posting an English translation of a Greek word that does NOT mean eternal and I'll keep laughing at how gullible you really are...
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RE: Jesus, Least Fit Moral Judge
January 17, 2013 at 8:36 pm
(January 17, 2013 at 8:30 pm)catfish Wrote: Keep posting an English translation of a Greek word that does NOT mean eternal and I'll keep laughing at how gullible you really are...
So 15+ translations all using different words aren't good enough for you?
Stop fucking floundering around. You obviously think you can prove that I'm wrong, why don't you do it?
I march against the Asagods
To bring the end of time.
I am pure and endless pain
And Surtr is my name.
See me rise, the mighty Surt,
Destroyer of the universe.
Bringer of flames and endless hurt
Scorcher of men and Earth.
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RE: Jesus, Least Fit Moral Judge
January 17, 2013 at 8:48 pm
(January 17, 2013 at 8:36 pm)Surtr Wrote: (January 17, 2013 at 8:30 pm)catfish Wrote: Keep posting an English translation of a Greek word that does NOT mean eternal and I'll keep laughing at how gullible you really are...
So 15+ translations all using different words aren't good enough for you?
Stop fucking floundering around. You obviously think you can prove that I'm wrong, why don't you do it?
Because you have all the information needed to prove yourself wrong.
The question then becomes: "Will you take the 5 minutes needed to learn the truth or will you continue to believe the lie?".
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RE: Jesus, Least Fit Moral Judge
January 17, 2013 at 8:55 pm
(This post was last modified: January 17, 2013 at 8:55 pm by Surtr.)
(January 17, 2013 at 8:48 pm)catfish Wrote: Because you have all the information needed to prove yourself wrong.
The question then becomes: "Will you take the 5 minutes needed to learn the truth or will you continue to believe the lie?".
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I checked your link and it had the SAME EXACT TRANSLATIONS as the ones I posted. That backfired, didn't it?
I march against the Asagods
To bring the end of time.
I am pure and endless pain
And Surtr is my name.
See me rise, the mighty Surt,
Destroyer of the universe.
Bringer of flames and endless hurt
Scorcher of men and Earth.
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RE: Jesus, Least Fit Moral Judge
January 17, 2013 at 8:56 pm
(January 17, 2013 at 8:55 pm)Surtr Wrote: (January 17, 2013 at 8:48 pm)catfish Wrote: Because you have all the information needed to prove yourself wrong.
The question then becomes: "Will you take the 5 minutes needed to learn the truth or will you continue to believe the lie?".
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I checked your link and it had the EXACT FUCKING SAME TRANSLATIONS as the ones I posted. That backfired, didn't it?
Dude, stop reading the "translations" and figure out which word was translated to "eternal". Then compare that word to it's true translation...
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RE: Jesus, Least Fit Moral Judge
January 17, 2013 at 8:56 pm
If it took five minutes to prove what you argue exists, mr Catfish, then you would've already laid it out instead of pussying around the issue. Contradict the actual work people have done to prove their point, or just don't bother talking--as it's a huge waste of time to read your nonsense.
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!
Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
Quote:Some people deserve hell.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.
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