Islam - False Religion!

[Brian37]

Here let me school you on where this will go because for some stupid reason you think this is my first rodeo.

Next I say "And other Muslims can use that same book to justify violence, and do use it to justify violence. Same with Christains. Some Christians will say it demands you be non violent. And other Christians use it to justify homophobia, and murder of abortion doctors. And in Africa the Christian sect Lord's Resistance Army were/are murdering Muslims".

Then you say "But they are not "true Muslims", ignoring that I pointed out all religions do this. And that all holy books are inherently divisive and are weapons.

Then I say "That is called the "true Scotsman fallacy". And attempt to explain to you which you will ignore, that how you wish someone would behave does not change what they think in their brains.

Then I give you the example "If for example, an atheist went into a school and murdered kids, I would not say "thats not a true atheist". I would say That is one sick individual".

Then you respond to this post with more nonsense while ignoring everything I just posted here.

I would never say there not true Muslims. I would say they are not following the Qur'an and the Sunnah. If they have taken the Shahadah they are still Muslim.

No, the violent ones are the ones who are reading it correctly, in all three Abrahamic religions.

The God character(like reviewing a character in a book) has club members, the narrative as written describes the "chosen people"' as their job is to defend the leader. In all three books the god characters partake in violence or watch and condone violence on their behalf.

You simply think non-violence is the way to defend it, otherwise you wouldn't be defending it at all by trying to appeal to us that you are right. They the violent ones in all three of these religions also read the same books and come to different conclusions, thus proving my point that those books are inherently divisive.

You cannot use the cop out excuse "I got it right, and they got it wrong" because all of you think you got it right and read the same books".

With all the division in the world due to all these religions I'd say all books have an inept God who cant write, or have written a clear instruction manual that would prevent all this murder on anyone's part.

If Allah/God/Yahweh were to own a bicycle factory and made such sloppy assembly instructions the bike buyers would end up with squid for spokes and murder their neighbor for their bike chain.

But the world in such a peaceful state isn't it?

[ThatMuslimGuy]

I would never say there not true Muslims. I would say they are not following the Qur'an and the Sunnah. If they have taken the Shahadah they are still Muslim.

No, the violent ones are the ones who are reading it correctly, in all three Abrahamic religions.

The God character(like reviewing a character in a book) has club members, the narrative as written describes the "chosen people"' as their job is to defend the leader.

You simply think non-violence is the way to defend it, otherwise you wouldn't be defending it at all by trying to appeal to us that you are right. They the violent ones in all three of these religions also read the same books and come to different conclusions, thus proving my point that those books are inherently divisive.

You cannot use the cop out excuse "I got it right, and they got it wrong" because all of you think you got it right and read the same books".

With all the division in the world due to all these religions I'd say all books have an inept God who cant write, or have written a clear instruction manual that would prevent all this murder on anyone's part.

If Allah/God?Yahweh were to own a bicycle factory and made such sloppy assembly instructions the bike buyers would end up with squid for spokes and murder their neighbor for their bike chain.

But the world in such a peaceful state isn't it?

I'm not using any cop out. If you read something e.g.
"None of you truly believes until he loves for his brother what he loves for himself."

[Reported by al-Bukhari (13), Muslim (45), Ahmad (3/176), at-Tirmidhi (5215), Ibn Majah (66), an-Nasa'i (8/115), and Ibn Hibban (234)]

how have i read it wrong?
Yes anyone can pick a handful of verses and justify something. But is that what the religion teaches? No. You don't take a handful of verses, you take the whole.

[Brian37]

No, the violent ones are the ones who are reading it correctly, in all three Abrahamic religions.

The God character(like reviewing a character in a book) has club members, the narrative as written describes the "chosen people"' as their job is to defend the leader.

You simply think non-violence is the way to defend it, otherwise you wouldn't be defending it at all by trying to appeal to us that you are right. They the violent ones in all three of these religions also read the same books and come to different conclusions, thus proving my point that those books are inherently divisive.

You cannot use the cop out excuse "I got it right, and they got it wrong" because all of you think you got it right and read the same books".

With all the division in the world due to all these religions I'd say all books have an inept God who cant write, or have written a clear instruction manual that would prevent all this murder on anyone's part.

If Allah/God?Yahweh were to own a bicycle factory and made such sloppy assembly instructions the bike buyers would end up with squid for spokes and murder their neighbor for their bike chain.

But the world in such a peaceful state isn't it?

I'm not using any cop out. If you read something e.g.
"None of you truly believes until he loves for his brother what he loves for himself."

[Reported by al-Bukhari (13), Muslim (45), Ahmad (3/176), at-Tirmidhi (5215), Ibn Majah (66), an-Nasa'i (8/115), and Ibn Hibban (234)]

how have i read it wrong?
Yes anyone can pick a handful of verses and justify something. But is that what the religion teaches? No. You don't take a handful of verses, you take the whole.

Yes you are. Would you like me to find Koran quotes that other people use to justify violence because I can and will find them.

It is called cherry picking, you do it, they do it, Christians and Jews do it with their books too. Which is why I said those three books of all three religions are ALL inherently divisive.

AND AGAIN I WILL REPEAT, so please stop ignoring this.

If those books were well written, to avoid confusion and conflict, we wouldn't have humanity so divided. The reason we do is because of the way god characters of all three are written(as literary characters). Which is why I say I would not hire such a god to write assembly instructions for a bicycle.

The plot of all those books is simple, "Follow me and defend me".

Don't read it with a hand up your back like a puppet, read everything in it, including the nasty stuff and don't gloss it over or pretend it does not exist in that book.

Cherry picking is the only way you can cling to such a nasty book. But all three are nasty and all three have a god who is all about him and sticks knives in human hands and says "last one standing gets to hang out with me".

The reason you cannot understand me is because you have already drank the Kool Aid. Read it all, as if you had never heard of Islam or picked up a Koran. Read it like you were doing a movie review. Read it as if you were not a Muslim.

I am quite sure you would already accept that people use the bible to justify both non violence and violence. I am merely suggesting to both of you that you both are not doing anything differently, you merely think you are.

[ThatMuslimGuy]

I'm not using any cop out. If you read something e.g.
"None of you truly believes until he loves for his brother what he loves for himself."

[Reported by al-Bukhari (13), Muslim (45), Ahmad (3/176), at-Tirmidhi (5215), Ibn Majah (66), an-Nasa'i (8/115), and Ibn Hibban (234)]

how have i read it wrong?
Yes anyone can pick a handful of verses and justify something. But is that what the religion teaches? No. You don't take a handful of verses, you take the whole.

Yes you are. Would you like me to find Koran quotes that other people use to justify violence because I can and will find them.

It is called cherry picking, you do it, they do it, Christians and Jews do it with their books too. Which is why I said those three books of all three religions are ALL inherently divisive.

AND AGAIN I WILL REPEAT, so please stop ignoring this.

If those books were well written, to avoid confusion and conflict, we wouldn't have humanity so divided. The reason we do is because of the way god characters of all three are written(as literary characters). Which is why I say I would not hire such a god to write assembly instructions for a bicycle.

The plot of all those books is simple, "Follow me and defend me".

Don't read it with a hand up your back like a puppet, read everything in it, including the nasty stuff and don't gloss it over or pretend it does not exist in that book.

Cherry picking is the only way you can cling to such a nasty book. But all three are nasty and all three have a god who is all about him and sticks knives in human hands and says "last one standing gets to hang out with me".

The reason you cannot understand me is because you have already drank the Kool Aid. Read it all, as if you had never heard of Islam or picked up a Koran. Read it like you were doing a movie review. Read it as if you were not a Muslim.

I am quite sure you would already accept that people use the bible to justify both non violence and violence. I am merely suggesting to both of you you are not doing anything differently, you merely think you are.

'Read it as if you were not a muslim' he asks the ex-atheist. Yeah i did.
Lol i totally understand what your saying. I USE TO HAVE THE SAME VIEWPOINT.

Lol i think you have this assumption i just read random verses here and there. No brother. I read every verse with 9 translations and 3 tafsirs. Then challenge every single verse. And i haven't found a single bad thing yet.*Actually only bad thing that could be argued is the use of capital punishment and it's viewpoints on sodomy.
lol cherry picking? do you really think the Qur'an is like 99% kill people. 1% be nice. And ive ignored the rest?

[Brian37]

Yes anyone can pick a handful of verses and justify something. But is that what the religion teaches? No. You don't take a handful of verses, you take the whole.

Which makes Allah an inept agent as a character , cant make it obvious to avoid the "misinterpretation".

No. You don't take a handful of verses, you take the whole

I do take the whole.

The plot of the bible and the OT and the Koran, ALL have heads of state(a god) who demands you follow him and obey him and really doesn't care hook or crook how you gain club members.

Now, would you like to know the natural psychological reason these books were written like this?

Because in real life back then all life was tribal, and in reality the life span of the average person was way shorter than it is now. And life was much tougher and if you did not fight for your tribe you could risk the safety of that tribe.

They also lived under kingships and even polytheists attribute their lives and fortunes to something divine. So religion reflected the culture of that time.

That is why all three have deities as characters written like that. They are political books meant to create conformity and unity. Unfortunately they are horribly written and do the exact opposite of what you say they do.

[ThatMuslimGuy]

Yes anyone can pick a handful of verses and justify something. But is that what the religion teaches? No. You don't take a handful of verses, you take the whole.

Which makes Allah an inept agent as a character , cant make it obvious to avoid the "misinterpretation".

No. You don't take a handful of verses, you take the whole

I do take the whole.

The plot of the bible and the OT and the Koran, ALL have heads of state(a god) who demands you follow him and obey him and really doesn't care hook or crook how you gain club members.

Now, would you like to know the natural psychological reason these books were written like this?

Because in real life back then all life was tribal, and in reality the life span of the average person was way shorter than it is now. And life was much tougher and if you did not fight for your tribe you could risk the safety of that tribe.

They also lived under kingships and even polytheists attribute their lives and fortunes to something divine. So religion reflected the culture of that time.

That is why all three have deities as characters written like that. They are political books meant to create conformity and unity. Unfortunately they are horribly written and do the exact opposite of what you say they do.

What do you mean by this "really doesn't care hook or crook how you gain club members. "

[Brian37]

Yes you are. Would you like me to find Koran quotes that other people use to justify violence because I can and will find them.

It is called cherry picking, you do it, they do it, Christians and Jews do it with their books too. Which is why I said those three books of all three religions are ALL inherently divisive.

AND AGAIN I WILL REPEAT, so please stop ignoring this.

If those books were well written, to avoid confusion and conflict, we wouldn't have humanity so divided. The reason we do is because of the way god characters of all three are written(as literary characters). Which is why I say I would not hire such a god to write assembly instructions for a bicycle.

The plot of all those books is simple, "Follow me and defend me".

Don't read it with a hand up your back like a puppet, read everything in it, including the nasty stuff and don't gloss it over or pretend it does not exist in that book.

Cherry picking is the only way you can cling to such a nasty book. But all three are nasty and all three have a god who is all about him and sticks knives in human hands and says "last one standing gets to hang out with me".

The reason you cannot understand me is because you have already drank the Kool Aid. Read it all, as if you had never heard of Islam or picked up a Koran. Read it like you were doing a movie review. Read it as if you were not a Muslim.

I am quite sure you would already accept that people use the bible to justify both non violence and violence. I am merely suggesting to both of you you are not doing anything differently, you merely think you are.

'Read it as if you were not a muslim' he asks the ex-atheist. Yeah i did.
Lol i totally understand what your saying. I USE TO HAVE THE SAME VIEWPOINT.

Lol i think you have this assumption i just read random verses here and there. No brother. I read every verse with 9 translations and 3 tafsirs. Then challenge every single verse. And i haven't found a single bad thing yet.*Actually only bad thing that could be argued is the use of capital punishment and it's viewpoints on sodomy.
lol cherry picking? do you really think the Qur'an is like 99% kill people. 1% be nice. And ive ignored the rest?

So all you are going to do is repeat "I got it right and I am not cherry picking". Sorry not good enough.

1. Start with a naked assertion that a god of any label is a possibility at all(drink the Kool Aid first)
2. Use self serving circular reasoning "Quote your interpretation to prove your interpretation"
3. Pretend out of 7 billion people you were the only one lucky enough to get a cosmic bat phone to the cosmic mafia boss's mansion.
4.Ignore that other people do do the same thing you are doing for their pet deities too.
5. Ignore that Islam was not around 500,000 years ago when the first homo sapient evolved, and that evolution was going on prior to all our species current claimed superstitions.
6. Ignore that evolution is not label dependent.

You believe in a non material super brain that has no body, no material, no brain, no location, no neurons. Remember that every time you post and read the posts of Christians or Jews and remember they too claim a non material being too.

[ThatMuslimGuy]

'Read it as if you were not a muslim' he asks the ex-atheist. Yeah i did.
Lol i totally understand what your saying. I USE TO HAVE THE SAME VIEWPOINT.

Lol i think you have this assumption i just read random verses here and there. No brother. I read every verse with 9 translations and 3 tafsirs. Then challenge every single verse. And i haven't found a single bad thing yet.*Actually only bad thing that could be argued is the use of capital punishment and it's viewpoints on sodomy.
lol cherry picking? do you really think the Qur'an is like 99% kill people. 1% be nice. And ive ignored the rest?

So all you are going to do is repeat "I got it right and I am not cherry picking". Sorry not good enough.

1. Start with a naked assertion that a god of any label is a possibility at all(drink the Kool Aid first)
2. Use self serving circular reasoning "Quote your interpretation to prove your interpretation"
3. Pretend out of 7 billion people you were the only one lucky enough to get a cosmic bat phone to the cosmic mafia boss's mansion.
4.Ignore that other people do do the same thing you are doing for their pet deities too.
5. Ignore that Islam was not around 500,000 years ago when the first homo sapient evolved, and that evolution was going on prior to all our species current claimed superstitions.
6. Ignore that evolution is not label dependent.

You believe in a non material super brain that has no body, no material, no brain, no location, no neurons. Remember that every time you post and read the posts of Christians or Jews and remember they too claim a non material being too.

I can never say i got it right. I never know if i'm still holding on to the rope of Allah. But i can say some viewpoints are wrong. e.g. Someone who prayers to a rock and says this is Islam. I know the basics of Tawheed to say that's wrong.

[Brian37]

So all you are going to do is repeat "I got it right and I am not cherry picking". Sorry not good enough.

1. Start with a naked assertion that a god of any label is a possibility at all(drink the Kool Aid first)
2. Use self serving circular reasoning "Quote your interpretation to prove your interpretation"
3. Pretend out of 7 billion people you were the only one lucky enough to get a cosmic bat phone to the cosmic mafia boss's mansion.
4.Ignore that other people do do the same thing you are doing for their pet deities too.
5. Ignore that Islam was not around 500,000 years ago when the first homo sapient evolved, and that evolution was going on prior to all our species current claimed superstitions.
6. Ignore that evolution is not label dependent.

You believe in a non material super brain that has no body, no material, no brain, no location, no neurons. Remember that every time you post and read the posts of Christians or Jews and remember they too claim a non material being too.

I can never say i got it right. I never know if i'm still holding on to the rope of Allah. But i can say some viewpoints are wrong. e.g. Someone who prayers to a rock and says this is Islam. I know the basics of Tawheed to say that's wrong.

The basics of "Tawheed". Oh, is this a PHD college corse in human psychology? Because I am sure it is and absolutely universal as well.

That or Arab woo you simply like.

I am not a psychologist but Sam Harris is a neurologist who wrote "The "End Of Faith."

Victor Stenger who wrote "The New Atheism" is also a scientist.

And Micheal Shermer "Why People Believe Weird Things" has a degree in psychology.

Not to mention Evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins who wrote "The God Delusion".