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What things are bad in Islam?

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What things are bad in Islam?
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RE: What things are bad in Islam?
January 21, 2013 at 6:17 am (This post was last modified: January 21, 2013 at 6:20 am by Confused Ape.)
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RE: What things are bad in Islam?
January 21, 2013 at 6:18 am (This post was last modified: January 21, 2013 at 6:20 am by ThatMuslimGuy.)
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RE: What things are bad in Islam?
January 21, 2013 at 8:29 am
(January 21, 2013 at 5:44 am)ThatMuslimGuy Wrote: The role of the gaurdian is to protect the Women. In pre-islamic times men just married women against there will. Men could inherit there brother wives etc. Islam came to stop this. And introduced the system of the Gaurdian. The Gaurdian has to have the best interests of the girl at heart and is there to protect her from anything that could harm her. If he objects to the marriage and provides no reason for it then she can still get married. The gaurdian isn't there to hamper the women but to protect her.


You misunderstand. Mohammed was idolised as a prophet in his time, of course anyone and everyone would be very keen to get him to marry their daughter. Mohammed here makes no mention of morality... by marryine a girl of 9 where modern society clearly judges this to be innapropriate at best, and abusive at worst.
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RE: What things are bad in Islam?
January 21, 2013 at 9:12 am (This post was last modified: January 21, 2013 at 9:12 am by Confused Ape.)
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RE: What things are bad in Islam?
January 21, 2013 at 9:22 am
(January 19, 2013 at 10:32 pm)ThatMuslimGuy Wrote: I'm always open to challenging Islam and the Qur'an. So i was wondering what peoples viewpoints on Islam are. Like what things do you see as bad.


It is a religion, an old religion that can and has been used to justify evil deeds.
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RE: What things are bad in Islam?
January 21, 2013 at 9:39 am
While I recognise and agree with the absurdity of judging another and earlier culture with our modern Western standards, let's just recap a little here.

(January 21, 2013 at 6:17 am)Confused Ape Wrote: I'm not defending Muhammed's marriage to Aisha here because he could have changed the custom but didn't. I'm guessing it's because he was a man of his place and time so the custom seemed so 'normal' that he didn't think about it.

Just as Confused Ape says, Muhammad could have changed the custom of his day, but didn't. So what we end up with is a revered religious figure with a divine revelation who apparently wasn't enlightened enough to figure out what we now hold to be abhorrent. Clearly he didn't think of it; doesn't anyone feel that, as a messenger of a god, perhaps he should have?
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RE: What things are bad in Islam?
January 21, 2013 at 9:52 am
This is the essential problem with theism. A god which chooses expediency, over morality looses the right to judge.
If morality is unchanging there can be no defence that it was good at this time and not that. If on the other hand morality depends on the situation claims for constant judge fall apart. Either way the the theist view of a constant good judge is impossible to support.
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RE: What things are bad in Islam?
January 21, 2013 at 9:56 am
(January 21, 2013 at 5:44 am)ThatMuslimGuy Wrote: The role of the gaurdian is to protect the Women. In pre-islamic times men just married women against there will. Men could inherit there brother wives etc. Islam came to stop this. And introduced the system of the Gaurdian. The Gaurdian has to have the best interests of the girl at heart and is there to protect her from anything that could harm her. If he objects to the marriage and provides no reason for it then she can still get married. The gaurdian isn't there to hamper the women but to protect her.

Why does a women need to get approval from a guardian and why doesn't a man need approval from a guardian?(sexiest)
Can you please back up you statement "In pre-islamic times men just married women against there will."
Protect her from what exactly?
What about the man's protection?
Why not 2 female witnesses?
Why not a groom gift?
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RE: What things are bad in Islam?
January 21, 2013 at 10:11 am
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RE: What things are bad in Islam?
January 21, 2013 at 10:19 am
which hadith or quran verse did you get the info about jizyah? just wondering


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