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"Religion of Peace" - My Ass!
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 (March 2, 2013 at 2:27 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: Disagree Of course. What else? should I live to be miserable? Or to fly a plane into a skyscraper? To live in misery, fear or with hatred for others requires some beliefs to justify these thoughts - to live happy does not Quote:Agree with total freedom (homosexuality, abortion, Democracy, etc.) These are for my part not the result of beliefs but from observations and the conclusions drawn out of these observations to make a better sociaty. To hate homosexuals, disregard democracy, incarcerate different thinkers and fly into skyscrapers requires beliefs so one can justify these thougths and actions by ignoring observations and what is benefitial for sociaty Quote:Believe in Evolution & Natural selection Is not a belief but a conclusion out of observations   RE: "Religion of Peace" - My Ass!
March 2, 2013 at 2:50 am
(This post was last modified: March 2, 2013 at 2:53 am by Muslim Scholar.)
(March 2, 2013 at 2:32 am)The Germans are coming Wrote: Of course. What else? should I live to be miserable? Or to fly a plane into a skyscraper?I did not say that religion is rational (sometimes it isn't) I just stated that you have certain actions based on your (non) beliefs Quote:Do you think that beliefs are only (blind)Quote:Believe in Evolution & Natural selectionIs not a belief but a conclusion out of observations True beliefs should be based on proofs, conclusion and observations as well A religion that is not based on logic, proofs and observation is a false (or unfair) religion If God did not give enough evidences guiding to his religion, he is not worthy of worshiping (March 2, 2013 at 2:35 am)genkaus Wrote:Wrong(March 2, 2013 at 2:27 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: Disagree If you are a Muslim you will not agree with homosexuality If you are an Atheist you will agree Atheism is a religion from most aspects (or Better a religious position)
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[quote]I did not say that religion is rational (sometimes it isn't)[/quote] Something to agree on [quote]I just stated that you have certain actions based on your (non) beliefs[/quote] Do I? Can you show me? So far you havent [quote]Do you think that beliefs are only (blind) True beliefs should be based on proofs, conclusion and observations as well[/quote] Which would contradict the meaning of the word "belief" by it`s very meaning [quote]A religion that is not based on logic, proofs and observation is a false (or unfair) religion[/quote] Show me the religion based on truths and logic. better: show me a fair religion or even more better: a religion which imbodies the principles of democracy [quote]If God did not give enough evidences guiding to his religion, he is not worthy of worshiping[/quote] God isnt worth worshiping anyway, even if he or she or they exist (March 2, 2013 at 2:50 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: Wrong Wrong. If you are a Muslim you will not agree with homosexuality. If you are an atheist, you may agree with homosexuality or you may not agree with it. That is why atheism is not a religion - it does not inform beliefs on any other subject other than god(s). (March 2, 2013 at 2:56 am)The Germans are coming Wrote: Which would contradict the meaning of the word "belief" by it`s very meaningA belief is something like going to a Doctor and he advices you not to eat something (Apple) You have selected that Doctor based on observations (His experience or recommendations), but you don't have a mean to verify his information (because you are not a Doctor), so you follow him based on your trust This trust is not blind because it was built based on observations & logic Quote:or even more better: a religion which imbodies the principles of democracyYou are assuming that Democracy is good (It isn't) Quote:God isnt worth worshiping anyway, even if he or she or they existBased on what? Let's say that some God exists (Gogo) and he is the only True God Gogo is not fair but he told humans to follow his book "the Goby" to be in Paradise And even if you follow it, he will select some random people to punish in hell (for no reason) Would you still worship him and have some chance in Paradise or ignore him and be sure that you will be Hell (March 2, 2013 at 3:26 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: A belief is something like going to a Doctor and he advices you not to eat something (Apple) The trust is not based on belief. The trust is based on the fact that the doctor studied medical science and can conclude meaningfull conclusions out of his obervations, aswell as I have trust that I have the institutions provided to take legal actions in case of abuse of his possition as doctor or wrong conclusion. The trust is based on a contract based on observations and conclusion. Not belief. Quote:You are assuming that Democracy is good (It isn't) From my obserations I can conclude it is the best possible form of goverment until I have been disproven which hasnt happened yet. Quote:Let's say that some God exists (Gogo) and he is the only True God Not ignore him, I will try to find ways to undermine his autoritarian possiton and abuse of power and to bring him to justice in a human court of law which based on supirior values compared to his  RE: "Religion of Peace" - My Ass!
March 2, 2013 at 5:55 am
(This post was last modified: March 2, 2013 at 5:57 am by Muslim Scholar.)
(March 2, 2013 at 3:33 am)The Germans are coming Wrote:One clear weakness in Democracy, that all people have equal votesQuote:You are assuming that Democracy is good (It isn't) for example a group of illiterate, ignorant people can decide about something that can affect all the nation just because they are more in numbers |
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